> Unadulterated freedom for self is absolute danger to others. Instead of
> trying to teach freedom (which comes naturally in life), try teaching
> responsibility, something libertarians, anarchists, and bitcoiners all
> seem to lack ("Oh I broke that? Not my problem, let the free market fix
> it." "Oh my released code contained the password that enabled people to
> steal money that wasn't theirs? Whatever, they're rich and can afford
> it" "Oh my system people trusted in failed and everyone lost their
> money? Whatever, anarchy!!!11").
>
> Hate to bring a fictional comic character into this (although it's
> fitting since everyone here is pretty much a nerd) but with great
> freedom comes great power, and with great power comes great
> responsibility. A major problem I've noticed isn't a lack of freedom
> (just because your government writes a law against you doesn't mean
> *you're* not free, you can leave. Unless you're North Korean. I'm
> American and haven't touched America in 10 years), it's a lack of
> adequate responsibility, like how it's okay to report that you "found
> Satoshi", or to spy on people because "NSA". Responsibility. Freedom is
> for flies, freedom to annoy and ransack, to attack and run away without
> repercussions.
>
> Back to the blind money reference, even if you get all the freedom in
> the universe, if you wasted your life being nonconstructive and not
> helping mankind in any shape or form, you're a true blind monkey. If all
> you did was post in an email list and wait for extremists to write code
> for you, you're the blind monkey. Anyway, it's not healthy to be
> obsessed with freedom because it tends to make you unnecessarily
> paranoid and forget the freedoms that are right in front of you. Anyone
> who hasn't watched Idiocracy, please do-- that's what will happen with
> "total freedom", freedom to waste people's time, freedom to spread
> ignorance, etc.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I like the way some anarchists and libertards here
> talk because it reminds me that we can in fact move *past* the ideas of
> the men alive today and build for tomorrow *despite* them. I agree with
> that and will be dedicating my life to mankind (not the one alive right
> now) being bettered by something I do, even if ever so slightly. I'm not
> interested in waging wars against a living government now anymore than I
> am interested in going back in time and freeing the slaves a week
> sooner. Let idiots fight idiots. Mankind has to deal with its own
> plights, we are artists who cannot be brought down by emotional
> bullshit. Yes, there are liars in the senate and they are actively
> trying to take more power in a make believe system. Ohnoes!1 There's
> also a gun store next to your house. Do something about it, pussy. We
> are technologists who need to focus on the future. I agree to give up on
> the peace corp rhetoric and just build so that the new systems will
> adopt (or not, who cares, let them burn in 50 years). When someone comes
> asking why it was built, you can merely respond "because it seems to
> make better sense". You don't need to try and sell them volume 6 of the
> obscure cryptoanarchist journal e-book, nor does everyone in the world
> need bitcoin in order to function freely. You can function in a
> communist regime that uses fiat currency and has slavery. You can also
> function in North Korea, writing a bitcoin client for dear leader. No
> one is stopping you from building or being useful, and everything that
> is made is eventually recognized. I argue that any "urgency" is due to
> selfish interests. The world isn't any "worse" or "better" than it ever
> was, and as always, when things get too difficult to handle, there is an
> uprising, things reset. Maybe you should be working on your marksmanship
> as much as your code.
>
> </end rant>
>
> I'm gonna go hug a tree now.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???
> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Amir and thanks Thomas and Nicolás and thanks to the people who
> said I'm wrong for being so gloomy. I don't know exactly where I want
> to go next but I'm feeling that we need to build tools which don't just
> give freedom but really *teach* freedom. Freedom is not something that
> can be trained, we need to learn how to build tools which encourage
> people to understand the systems around them, whatever they may be, to
> question the constraints which have been placed by physics and by other
> people and teach them to care.
>
> More on this after I have a chance to think it over. Probably an update
> to thewebmustdie.com <http://thewebmustdie.com>
>
> Bitcoin and cjdns are "here's your freedom" tools, they are good but we
> can do better.
>
> Thanks,
> Caleb
>
>
> On 03/24/2014 06:40 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
> > hey caleb, I like cjdns as a project and whatever happens I think
> it is
> > very cool and innovative.
> > You might also want to look into the ZeroMQ community. Pieter Hintjens
> > is a genius and it's a great project.
> >
> > The thing to remember about what we do, is that it's just not making
> > replacements or alternatives. It's about making tools for people.
> >
> > Why would people use your tools? Because they are better for them.
> >
> > We have to start thinking of the advantages or new things that our
> tools
> > bring to the table. We aren't making them for money, but for something
> > bigger and more fulfilling, more useful to our lives.
> >
> > We need to look to ourselves, see what we do better and play on our
> > strengths. And we need to stop making copycat "alternative"
> > replacements. Think what you can do better, more open and make tools
> > that *really* serve the people.
> >
> > In fact as developers for DarkWallet, we have more freedom to explore
> > concepts that other developers would stay away from.
> > We are not worried about taking investment (since our costs are
> low) so
> > we don't need to compromise on our vision. We are transparent
> about our
> > motive, and we don't need to play to any crowd for acceptance. Our
> > imagination is the limit. We are in the same boat with a bond stronger
> > than $$$, but fueled by imagination of what's possible in our world.
> >
> > And we are not shying away from the software being political. We
> openly
> > promote our values because we believe they're good values. And our
> users
> > hence know that the software is serving them.
> >
> > You know when BitcoinQt has implemented payments protocol which
> doesn't
> > help p2p transfers, small businesses or the black market, but helps
> > Bitcoin corporations like BitPay. Who is that software serving?
> >
> > On 24/03/14 16:55, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
> >> I'm sorry if I've disturbed you. If this list is strictly about
> technology
> >> then it is probably not a place for me.
> >> I have some additional thoughts in response to comments here and on
> >> socialswarm-discuss which I wanted to share.
> >>
> >> There is a parallel thread on
> socialswarm-discussion@???
> <mailto:socialswarm-discussion@ml.foebud.org> so if
> >> this thread is offensive then we can move.
> >>
> >> ----
> >>
> >> A few thoughts:
> >>
> >> I just threw 3 years of my life into cjdns and I'm now coming to the
> >> conclusion that it's not solving the real problem. Forgive me,
> I'm not in
> >> my best form.
> >>
> >> Wikipedia is proof that an alternative can not only exist but can
> garner
> >> the #1 space on every google search, all is not lost.
> >>
> >> I value art, music, and literature and some will be far better
> than I can
> >> ever hope to be at all of these but long ago society decided that
> nomatter
> >> what a great musician or artist you may be, you will be compelled
> to attend
> >> school and learn to read because the threat to democracy of an
> illiterate
> >> populous was too grave to accept. In this world with a computer
> on every
> >> desk and in every pocket, everybody has an obligation to have a
> certain
> >> level of understanding of these things.
> >>
> >> I must remember that as a child, I didn't want to learn how to
> read either
> >> and I distinctly recall telling my parents I would simply invent
> a machine
> >> to make people not need to know how to read. Forgiveness is deserved.
> >>
> >> All of the concentration on usability is, as we would say in the US,
> >> barking up the wrong tree. We will never be able to make open source
> >> projects more "usable" than facebook and their army of designers, we
> >> can only hope to flatten the field with eduction.
> >>
> >> The 19th and 20th century compulsory education model will never
> succeed
> >> here, every university CS class I've attended was teaching 5-10
> year old
> >> CS *history*.
> >>
> >>
> >> tl;dr give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him how to
> fish and
> >> he'll be fed for a lifetime, or maybe he'll just sit in a boat
> and drink
> >> beer :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 03/24/2014 02:23 PM, Jacob wrote:
> >>> I seriously dont know what this ranting f this has to do with
> bitcoin...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Manfred Karrer <mk@???
> <mailto:mk@nucleo.io>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Today our world runs on silicon and bits, the written language
> of the day
> >>>> is code and in this sea of information, anyone who remains
> illiterate does
> >>>> so by choice. "
> >>>>
> >>>> Remembers me on Vilém Flussers Medienkultur, one of the
> philosophical
> >>>> grandfathers of the internet.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 24.03.2014 um 11:04 schrieb Caleb James DeLisle
> <cjd@??? <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I felt that I had to express something so I wrote it and gave it a
> >>>> domain.
> >>>>> http://thewebmustdie.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> tl;dr cjd is being a princess again, it happens.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Caleb
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