Thanks Amir and thanks Thomas and Nicolás and thanks to the people who
said I'm wrong for being so gloomy. I don't know exactly where I want
to go next but I'm feeling that we need to build tools which don't just
give freedom but really *teach* freedom. Freedom is not something that
can be trained, we need to learn how to build tools which encourage
people to understand the systems around them, whatever they may be, to
question the constraints which have been placed by physics and by other
people and teach them to care.

More on this after I have a chance to think it over. Probably an update
to thewebmustdie.com

Bitcoin and cjdns are "here's your freedom" tools, they are good but we
can do better.

Thanks,
Caleb


On 03/24/2014 06:40 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
> hey caleb, I like cjdns as a project and whatever happens I think it is
> very cool and innovative.
> You might also want to look into the ZeroMQ community. Pieter Hintjens
> is a genius and it's a great project.
>
> The thing to remember about what we do, is that it's just not making
> replacements or alternatives. It's about making tools for people.
>
> Why would people use your tools? Because they are better for them.
>
> We have to start thinking of the advantages or new things that our tools
> bring to the table. We aren't making them for money, but for something
> bigger and more fulfilling, more useful to our lives.
>
> We need to look to ourselves, see what we do better and play on our
> strengths. And we need to stop making copycat "alternative"
> replacements. Think what you can do better, more open and make tools
> that *really* serve the people.
>
> In fact as developers for DarkWallet, we have more freedom to explore
> concepts that other developers would stay away from.
> We are not worried about taking investment (since our costs are low) so
> we don't need to compromise on our vision. We are transparent about our
> motive, and we don't need to play to any crowd for acceptance. Our
> imagination is the limit. We are in the same boat with a bond stronger
> than $$$, but fueled by imagination of what's possible in our world.
>
> And we are not shying away from the software being political. We openly
> promote our values because we believe they're good values. And our users
> hence know that the software is serving them.
>
> You know when BitcoinQt has implemented payments protocol which doesn't
> help p2p transfers, small businesses or the black market, but helps
> Bitcoin corporations like BitPay. Who is that software serving?
>
> On 24/03/14 16:55, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
>> I'm sorry if I've disturbed you. If this list is strictly about technology
>> then it is probably not a place for me.
>> I have some additional thoughts in response to comments here and on
>> socialswarm-discuss which I wanted to share.
>>
>> There is a parallel thread on socialswarm-discussion@??? so if
>> this thread is offensive then we can move.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> A few thoughts:
>>
>> I just threw 3 years of my life into cjdns and I'm now coming to the
>> conclusion that it's not solving the real problem. Forgive me, I'm not in
>> my best form.
>>
>> Wikipedia is proof that an alternative can not only exist but can garner
>> the #1 space on every google search, all is not lost.
>>
>> I value art, music, and literature and some will be far better than I can
>> ever hope to be at all of these but long ago society decided that nomatter
>> what a great musician or artist you may be, you will be compelled to attend
>> school and learn to read because the threat to democracy of an illiterate
>> populous was too grave to accept. In this world with a computer on every
>> desk and in every pocket, everybody has an obligation to have a certain
>> level of understanding of these things.
>>
>> I must remember that as a child, I didn't want to learn how to read either
>> and I distinctly recall telling my parents I would simply invent a machine
>> to make people not need to know how to read. Forgiveness is deserved.
>>
>> All of the concentration on usability is, as we would say in the US,
>> barking up the wrong tree. We will never be able to make open source
>> projects more "usable" than facebook and their army of designers, we
>> can only hope to flatten the field with eduction.
>>
>> The 19th and 20th century compulsory education model will never succeed
>> here, every university CS class I've attended was teaching 5-10 year old
>> CS *history*.
>>
>>
>> tl;dr give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him how to fish and
>> he'll be fed for a lifetime, or maybe he'll just sit in a boat and drink
>> beer :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/24/2014 02:23 PM, Jacob wrote:
>>> I seriously dont know what this ranting f this has to do with bitcoin...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Manfred Karrer <mk@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Today our world runs on silicon and bits, the written language of the day
>>>> is code and in this sea of information, anyone who remains illiterate does
>>>> so by choice. "
>>>>
>>>> Remembers me on Vilém Flussers Medienkultur, one of the philosophical
>>>> grandfathers of the internet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 24.03.2014 um 11:04 schrieb Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???>:
>>>>
>>>>> I felt that I had to express something so I wrote it and gave it a
>>>> domain.
>>>>> http://thewebmustdie.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> tl;dr cjd is being a princess again, it happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> Caleb
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