I thought this was tremendously insightful, and a call for a necessary
reckoning that will be faced sooner or later:

All of the concentration on usability is, as we would say in the US,
> barking up the wrong tree. We will never be able to make open source
> projects more "usable" than facebook and their army of designers, we
> can only hope to flatten the field with eduction.


So, thanks for that.


On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:

> Lets try something else,
>
> What is this dark wallet thing,.... a firefox plugin? ...,does it mean it
> would need to download the whole (or only headers) blockchain to be usefull?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:
>
>> Oh cool,.., ok, i am off hugging a tree then.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>wrote:
>>
>>> The unsystem list hosts a broad and multi-disciplinary conversation.
>>> Participants are often political activists or protagonists. The list's name
>>> suggests this, and not so implicitly.
>>>
>>> Still, you seem to understand this and are are using an aggressively
>>> non-ideological disposition (still ideology) as an excuse to be unkind.
>>>
>>> So gtfo, tech stuff.
>>> On Mar 24, 2014 11:03 AM, "Jacob" <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> teaching a man how to fish? wtf, even backward tribes in the amazon and
>>>> stonage man, know how to fish, please again this is about bitcoin and
>>>> crypto stuff, so can the mod just delete the post,
>>>> I was here to do tech stuff, not to listen to peace core rants.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry if I've disturbed you. If this list is strictly about
>>>>> technology
>>>>> then it is probably not a place for me.
>>>>> I have some additional thoughts in response to comments here and on
>>>>> socialswarm-discuss which I wanted to share.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a parallel thread on socialswarm-discussion@??? so
>>>>> if
>>>>> this thread is offensive then we can move.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----
>>>>>
>>>>> A few thoughts:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just threw 3 years of my life into cjdns and I'm now coming to the
>>>>> conclusion that it's not solving the real problem. Forgive me, I'm not
>>>>> in
>>>>> my best form.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikipedia is proof that an alternative can not only exist but can
>>>>> garner
>>>>> the #1 space on every google search, all is not lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> I value art, music, and literature and some will be far better than I
>>>>> can
>>>>> ever hope to be at all of these but long ago society decided that
>>>>> nomatter
>>>>> what a great musician or artist you may be, you will be compelled to
>>>>> attend
>>>>> school and learn to read because the threat to democracy of an
>>>>> illiterate
>>>>> populous was too grave to accept. In this world with a computer on
>>>>> every
>>>>> desk and in every pocket, everybody has an obligation to have a certain
>>>>> level of understanding of these things.
>>>>>
>>>>> I must remember that as a child, I didn't want to learn how to read
>>>>> either
>>>>> and I distinctly recall telling my parents I would simply invent a
>>>>> machine
>>>>> to make people not need to know how to read. Forgiveness is deserved.
>>>>>
>>>>> All of the concentration on usability is, as we would say in the US,
>>>>> barking up the wrong tree. We will never be able to make open source
>>>>> projects more "usable" than facebook and their army of designers, we
>>>>> can only hope to flatten the field with eduction.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 19th and 20th century compulsory education model will never succeed
>>>>> here, every university CS class I've attended was teaching 5-10 year
>>>>> old
>>>>> CS *history*.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> tl;dr give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him how to fish and
>>>>> he'll be fed for a lifetime, or maybe he'll just sit in a boat and
>>>>> drink
>>>>> beer :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03/24/2014 02:23 PM, Jacob wrote:
>>>>> > I seriously dont know what this ranting f this has to do with
>>>>> bitcoin...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Manfred Karrer <mk@???>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> "Today our world runs on silicon and bits, the written language of
>>>>> the day
>>>>> >> is code and in this sea of information, anyone who remains
>>>>> illiterate does
>>>>> >> so by choice. "
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Remembers me on Vilém Flussers Medienkultur, one of the
>>>>> philosophical
>>>>> >> grandfathers of the internet.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Am 24.03.2014 um 11:04 schrieb Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???>:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> I felt that I had to express something so I wrote it and gave it a
>>>>> >> domain.
>>>>> >>> http://thewebmustdie.com/
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> tl;dr cjd is being a princess again, it happens.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Caleb
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