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Συντάκτης: jamileh s.t.
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On 19 March 2014 08:03, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:

> what has this to with bitcoin?
>
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> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
>
>> I see, you're right. Politically Catalonia would be a great place. If
>> they can establish sovereignty from Spain, but that might get messy. I
>> have a lot of research to do. Please let me know if I can help in any way.
>> I have a background in electrical engineering and IT. I'm working on
>> learning more programming. Physically I've done everything from fixing
>> cars and machinery to carpentry and farming. As long as I don't get
>> deported I'll go and help out.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Robert, thanks for your message. About places: the advantage we have
>>> in Catalonia is that we can work with local networks who have political
>>> support and pools of human resources that we can use for support. So the
>>> conflict is always there, but we aim to protect ourself.
>>>
>>> We are going to begin industrial fabrication around September, and right
>>> now it's important that we're developing software tools. We're
>>> evaluating economic plans and researching different communities so we
>>> can establish a fair participatory contract (constitution).
>>> http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:22
>>>
>>> If you want to participate, it's still very early days. We welcome
>>> people who have something to offer, to come live and work with us on
>>> projects. If you're not sure about your skills, then it's better to
>>> visit and see where or how you can participate. We've set a 1 year
>>> timeframe before we begin anyway.
>>>
>>> Also it's important that we're visible and the places have easy access.
>>> You can find many very nice but isolated places.
>>>
>>> On 19/03/14 05:11, Robert Jakob wrote:
>>> > Amir,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > You gave me quite a bit of homework. Sounds like we're pretty mush on
>>> > the same page. I've been thinking a lot about the monarchy vs modern
>>> > american democracy since we started talking about this and you're right
>>> > that the dichotomy is too simplistic. There isn't a clear better or
>>> > worse, right or wrong, there really is no lesser of two evils. In
>>> fact,
>>> > I think the US government is just the corporatization of the monarchy.
>>> > It's quite genius from their perspective, because Bush can start a war
>>> > then Obama can come in and say, "OK, things are going to be different.
>>> > Don't blame me for the last presidents policies." He says, "Give me
>>> > time, I'll fix the economy, close Guantanamo, end the wars, bring the
>>> > troops home, etc..." He wins a Nobel prize for his progressive ideas.
>>> > So time passes, things calm down, people are no longer organized, and
>>> > you see the new guy's policies are just as bad and in most cases worse
>>> > than the previous president. Now six years have gone by and all we can
>>> > do is hope the next one will be better. And so goes the cycle. Of
>>> > course, Hilary Clinton will probably win the next election and we'll be
>>> > just as disappointed. Which is what happens with monarchies, but this
>>> > is on a much smaller time frame. So you're probably right about
>>> > starting a new community altogether.
>>> >
>>> > You weren't kidding when you said this is for me. I would definitely
>>> be
>>> > willing to help. If I may suggest a few places also, northern Oregon
>>> > and the big island of Hawaii would be perfect places. They both have
>>> > pretty cheap land, great climate, very rich soil, and plenty of rain.
>>> I
>>> > have thought a lot about geodesic dome structures for housing and
>>> > aquaponic gardens for agriculture. You can do a mix of hydroponic,
>>> > aquaponic, and traditional farming to ensure you're not vulnerable to
>>> > drastic changes in climate and mineral deficiencies in the soil. The
>>> > biggest factor would be the local government. If you make everything
>>> > open source you might invite conflicts with big governments and
>>> > corporations. If you're wanting to remain local and quiet like a
>>> > commune, there probably won't be an issue. Oregon and Hawaii would
>>> also
>>> > be great because you can use solar for electricity and filter the rain
>>> > water for all plumbing. I could go on and on...
>>> >
>>> > I would like to get more involved and I would be much better suited for
>>> > manual labor than academia. Who can I talk to about helping with
>>> > development and brainstorming ideas?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Robert
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???
>>> > <mailto:jacobusbogers@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >     Excellent, I think this idea was first proposed by Voltare
>>> >     (voluntarism). but less the leaches who predate on the labour and/
>>> >     or life of others.

>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Adam Gmail
>>> >     <adamlevinemobile@??? <mailto:adamlevinemobile@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:

>>> >
>>> >         It's about the tribe, tools for location independent community
>>> >         and collaboration mean local is a philosophical decision, you
>>> >         have many locals to pick yours from and you can even pick many.

>>> >
>>> >         Morality is rules based, rules are localized so participating
>>> In
>>> >         disparate communities just means voluntarily opting in to
>>> >         multiple rule sets and moralities.

>>> >
>>> >         It is good to have options.

>>> >
>>> >         Sent from my iPad

>>> >
>>> >         On Mar 15, 2014, at 2:32 AM, "jamileh s.t."
>>> >         <xiaziyna@??? <mailto:xiaziyna@googlemail.com>>
>>> wrote:

>>> >
>>> >         > as humans evolved from we have developed very efficient
>>> >         computational devices. the ability to think on a group level is
>>> >         not something that comes easy to us as traditionally we would
>>> be
>>> >         part of a small and local community. being accustomed to such
>>> an
>>> >         environment it became typical for us to evaluate right and
>>> wrong
>>> >         for a small community mostly composed of family. the definition
>>> >         of right and wrong being something biological, something like
>>> >         "how can i preserve as many humans who are most closely related
>>> >         for as long as possible". we developed secondary systems for
>>> the
>>> >         prime directive "how can i improve living quality", "i feel
>>> pain
>>> >         when i touch fire", "i feel sadness when i lose a loved one".
>>> we
>>> >         are now at a point in history where we have veered sufficiently
>>> >         away from such basic needs and the ruleset does not completely
>>> >         suffice, we must now think on a group level, we are not
>>> >         concerned with death, we place emphasis on other needs.
>>> >         >
>>> >         > it's difficult to define what this new ruleset should be,
>>> >         should we completely abandon our earlier genetic tools in
>>> favour
>>> >         of computational answers? i don't think so completely, i think
>>> >         inherently those earlier systems lead to good outcomes and fast
>>> >         decisions. for example, before we developed the current eye, we
>>> >         had a more primitive eye system which saw at a much faster
>>> rate,
>>> >         but with alot poorer vision, you can imagine how this is good
>>> in
>>> >         certain situations and in the same way how our very rough
>>> >         genetic tools allow us to get a "feel" of the situation. you
>>> can
>>> >         say why do we need to stick to this arbitrary ruleset whose
>>> sole
>>> >         purpose is to preserve humanity, when maybe we can have another
>>> >         ruleset that does the same thing, maybe we don't need to be
>>> kind
>>> >         to each other but we can still survive on medicine and live for
>>> >         a long time. our genetic programming does allow for this, our
>>> >         genetic programming allows us the intellectual capacity to
>>> >         overcome our genetic programming. i believe this i
>>> >          s where we should use computational tools, we are beginning to
>>> >         connect the points that form the logistic map, the consequences
>>> >         of waste, the consequence of slavery, the consequences of
>>> >         hoarding information, these are all consequences which take
>>> >         effect over time, and now due to the rapid rate the world moves
>>> >         at, are taking place within our lifetimes. a caveman without
>>> >         computer could not predict such outcomes, like when they hunted
>>> >         to extinction the megafauna or killed off the neanderthals.

>>> >         >
>>> >         > so maybe "right" and "wrong" are not the correct words, but
>>> >         it's kind of recursive, they have come to embody our instincts,
>>> >         and are thus defined by our instincts.
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