what has this to with bitcoin?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
> I see, you're right. Politically Catalonia would be a great place. If
> they can establish sovereignty from Spain, but that might get messy. I
> have a lot of research to do. Please let me know if I can help in any way.
> I have a background in electrical engineering and IT. I'm working on
> learning more programming. Physically I've done everything from fixing
> cars and machinery to carpentry and farming. As long as I don't get
> deported I'll go and help out.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>
>> Hey Robert, thanks for your message. About places: the advantage we have
>> in Catalonia is that we can work with local networks who have political
>> support and pools of human resources that we can use for support. So the
>> conflict is always there, but we aim to protect ourself.
>>
>> We are going to begin industrial fabrication around September, and right
>> now it's important that we're developing software tools. We're
>> evaluating economic plans and researching different communities so we
>> can establish a fair participatory contract (constitution).
>> http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:22
>>
>> If you want to participate, it's still very early days. We welcome
>> people who have something to offer, to come live and work with us on
>> projects. If you're not sure about your skills, then it's better to
>> visit and see where or how you can participate. We've set a 1 year
>> timeframe before we begin anyway.
>>
>> Also it's important that we're visible and the places have easy access.
>> You can find many very nice but isolated places.
>>
>> On 19/03/14 05:11, Robert Jakob wrote:
>> > Amir,
>> >
>> >
>> > You gave me quite a bit of homework. Sounds like we're pretty mush on
>> > the same page. I've been thinking a lot about the monarchy vs modern
>> > american democracy since we started talking about this and you're right
>> > that the dichotomy is too simplistic. There isn't a clear better or
>> > worse, right or wrong, there really is no lesser of two evils. In fact,
>> > I think the US government is just the corporatization of the monarchy.
>> > It's quite genius from their perspective, because Bush can start a war
>> > then Obama can come in and say, "OK, things are going to be different.
>> > Don't blame me for the last presidents policies." He says, "Give me
>> > time, I'll fix the economy, close Guantanamo, end the wars, bring the
>> > troops home, etc..." He wins a Nobel prize for his progressive ideas.
>> > So time passes, things calm down, people are no longer organized, and
>> > you see the new guy's policies are just as bad and in most cases worse
>> > than the previous president. Now six years have gone by and all we can
>> > do is hope the next one will be better. And so goes the cycle. Of
>> > course, Hilary Clinton will probably win the next election and we'll be
>> > just as disappointed. Which is what happens with monarchies, but this
>> > is on a much smaller time frame. So you're probably right about
>> > starting a new community altogether.
>> >
>> > You weren't kidding when you said this is for me. I would definitely be
>> > willing to help. If I may suggest a few places also, northern Oregon
>> > and the big island of Hawaii would be perfect places. They both have
>> > pretty cheap land, great climate, very rich soil, and plenty of rain. I
>> > have thought a lot about geodesic dome structures for housing and
>> > aquaponic gardens for agriculture. You can do a mix of hydroponic,
>> > aquaponic, and traditional farming to ensure you're not vulnerable to
>> > drastic changes in climate and mineral deficiencies in the soil. The
>> > biggest factor would be the local government. If you make everything
>> > open source you might invite conflicts with big governments and
>> > corporations. If you're wanting to remain local and quiet like a
>> > commune, there probably won't be an issue. Oregon and Hawaii would also
>> > be great because you can use solar for electricity and filter the rain
>> > water for all plumbing. I could go on and on...
>> >
>> > I would like to get more involved and I would be much better suited for
>> > manual labor than academia. Who can I talk to about helping with
>> > development and brainstorming ideas?
>> >
>> >
>> > -Robert
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???
>> > <mailto:jacobusbogers@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Excellent, I think this idea was first proposed by Voltare
>> > (voluntarism). but less the leaches who predate on the labour and/
>> > or life of others.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Adam Gmail
>> > <adamlevinemobile@??? <mailto:adamlevinemobile@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > It's about the tribe, tools for location independent community
>> > and collaboration mean local is a philosophical decision, you
>> > have many locals to pick yours from and you can even pick many.
>> >
>> > Morality is rules based, rules are localized so participating In
>> > disparate communities just means voluntarily opting in to
>> > multiple rule sets and moralities.
>> >
>> > It is good to have options.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > On Mar 15, 2014, at 2:32 AM, "jamileh s.t."
>> > <xiaziyna@??? <mailto:xiaziyna@googlemail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > as humans evolved from we have developed very efficient
>> > computational devices. the ability to think on a group level is
>> > not something that comes easy to us as traditionally we would be
>> > part of a small and local community. being accustomed to such an
>> > environment it became typical for us to evaluate right and wrong
>> > for a small community mostly composed of family. the definition
>> > of right and wrong being something biological, something like
>> > "how can i preserve as many humans who are most closely related
>> > for as long as possible". we developed secondary systems for the
>> > prime directive "how can i improve living quality", "i feel pain
>> > when i touch fire", "i feel sadness when i lose a loved one". we
>> > are now at a point in history where we have veered sufficiently
>> > away from such basic needs and the ruleset does not completely
>> > suffice, we must now think on a group level, we are not
>> > concerned with death, we place emphasis on other needs.
>> > >
>> > > it's difficult to define what this new ruleset should be,
>> > should we completely abandon our earlier genetic tools in favour
>> > of computational answers? i don't think so completely, i think
>> > inherently those earlier systems lead to good outcomes and fast
>> > decisions. for example, before we developed the current eye, we
>> > had a more primitive eye system which saw at a much faster rate,
>> > but with alot poorer vision, you can imagine how this is good in
>> > certain situations and in the same way how our very rough
>> > genetic tools allow us to get a "feel" of the situation. you can
>> > say why do we need to stick to this arbitrary ruleset whose sole
>> > purpose is to preserve humanity, when maybe we can have another
>> > ruleset that does the same thing, maybe we don't need to be kind
>> > to each other but we can still survive on medicine and live for
>> > a long time. our genetic programming does allow for this, our
>> > genetic programming allows us the intellectual capacity to
>> > overcome our genetic programming. i believe this i
>> > s where we should use computational tools, we are beginning to
>> > connect the points that form the logistic map, the consequences
>> > of waste, the consequence of slavery, the consequences of
>> > hoarding information, these are all consequences which take
>> > effect over time, and now due to the rapid rate the world moves
>> > at, are taking place within our lifetimes. a caveman without
>> > computer could not predict such outcomes, like when they hunted
>> > to extinction the megafauna or killed off the neanderthals.
>> > >
>> > > so maybe "right" and "wrong" are not the correct words, but
>> > it's kind of recursive, they have come to embody our instincts,
>> > and are thus defined by our instincts.
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