Amir,


You gave me quite a bit of homework. Sounds like we're pretty mush on the
same page. I've been thinking a lot about the monarchy vs modern american
democracy since we started talking about this and you're right that the
dichotomy is too simplistic. There isn't a clear better or worse, right or
wrong, there really is no lesser of two evils. In fact, I think the US
government is just the corporatization of the monarchy. It's quite genius
from their perspective, because Bush can start a war then Obama can come in
and say, "OK, things are going to be different. Don't blame me for the
last presidents policies." He says, "Give me time, I'll fix the economy,
close Guantanamo, end the wars, bring the troops home, etc..." He wins a
Nobel prize for his progressive ideas. So time passes, things calm down,
people are no longer organized, and you see the new guy's policies are just
as bad and in most cases worse than the previous president. Now six years
have gone by and all we can do is hope the next one will be better. And so
goes the cycle. Of course, Hilary Clinton will probably win the next
election and we'll be just as disappointed. Which is what happens with
monarchies, but this is on a much smaller time frame. So you're probably
right about starting a new community altogether.

You weren't kidding when you said this is for me. I would definitely be
willing to help. If I may suggest a few places also, northern Oregon and
the big island of Hawaii would be perfect places. They both have pretty
cheap land, great climate, very rich soil, and plenty of rain. I have
thought a lot about geodesic dome structures for housing and aquaponic
gardens for agriculture. You can do a mix of hydroponic, aquaponic, and
traditional farming to ensure you're not vulnerable to drastic changes in
climate and mineral deficiencies in the soil. The biggest factor would be
the local government. If you make everything open source you might invite
conflicts with big governments and corporations. If you're wanting to
remain local and quiet like a commune, there probably won't be an issue.
Oregon and Hawaii would also be great because you can use solar for
electricity and filter the rain water for all plumbing. I could go on and
on...

I would like to get more involved and I would be much better suited for
manual labor than academia. Who can I talk to about helping with
development and brainstorming ideas?


-Robert




On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:

> Excellent, I think this idea was first proposed by Voltare (voluntarism).
> but less the leaches who predate on the labour and/ or life of others.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Adam Gmail <adamlevinemobile@???>wrote:
>
>> It's about the tribe, tools for location independent community and
>> collaboration mean local is a philosophical decision, you have many locals
>> to pick yours from and you can even pick many.
>>
>> Morality is rules based, rules are localized so participating In
>> disparate communities just means voluntarily opting in to multiple rule
>> sets and moralities.
>>
>> It is good to have options.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2014, at 2:32 AM, "jamileh s.t." <xiaziyna@???>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > as humans evolved from we have developed very efficient computational
>> devices. the ability to think on a group level is not something that comes
>> easy to us as traditionally we would be part of a small and local
>> community. being accustomed to such an environment it became typical for us
>> to evaluate right and wrong for a small community mostly composed of
>> family. the definition of right and wrong being something biological,
>> something like "how can i preserve as many humans who are most closely
>> related for as long as possible". we developed secondary systems for the
>> prime directive "how can i improve living quality", "i feel pain when i
>> touch fire", "i feel sadness when i lose a loved one". we are now at a
>> point in history where we have veered sufficiently away from such basic
>> needs and the ruleset does not completely suffice, we must now think on a
>> group level, we are not concerned with death, we place emphasis on other
>> needs.
>> >
>> > it's difficult to define what this new ruleset should be, should we
>> completely abandon our earlier genetic tools in favour of computational
>> answers? i don't think so completely, i think inherently those earlier
>> systems lead to good outcomes and fast decisions. for example, before we
>> developed the current eye, we had a more primitive eye system which saw at
>> a much faster rate, but with alot poorer vision, you can imagine how this
>> is good in certain situations and in the same way how our very rough
>> genetic tools allow us to get a "feel" of the situation. you can say why do
>> we need to stick to this arbitrary ruleset whose sole purpose is to
>> preserve humanity, when maybe we can have another ruleset that does the
>> same thing, maybe we don't need to be kind to each other but we can still
>> survive on medicine and live for a long time. our genetic programming does
>> allow for this, our genetic programming allows us the intellectual capacity
>> to overcome our genetic programming. i believe this i
>> s where we should use computational tools, we are beginning to connect
>> the points that form the logistic map, the consequences of waste, the
>> consequence of slavery, the consequences of hoarding information, these are
>> all consequences which take effect over time, and now due to the rapid rate
>> the world moves at, are taking place within our lifetimes. a caveman
>> without computer could not predict such outcomes, like when they hunted to
>> extinction the megafauna or killed off the neanderthals.
>> >
>> > so maybe "right" and "wrong" are not the correct words, but it's kind
>> of recursive, they have come to embody our instincts, and are thus defined
>> by our instincts.
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