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Szerző: Amir Taaki
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depends what you mean by "better"

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/pbc/2013-14/Deregulation_Bill/10-0_2014-03-11a.3.0

there's different types of fascists, you can see their logic often.
we are all corrupted and you have millions of people vying for
competiting interests.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8om8-DnVTU

good and bad is a mistake. we all have different values.
ex. communists want equality, i want freedom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinaleda,_Spain

marinelda works for the ppl living there and it's cool. but not for me &
my values.

also the wage slavery is another form of oppression but not every
anarchist agrees. there are many ways to organise a community,
opensource project or a society and none of them are wrong- just
different with different tradeoffs.

and yes there are utter cunts like donald rumsfeld in powerful positions
but i'd avoid generalising or painting everyone with the same brush.

what i don't like is moralisers who push their vision of life on me.

robert, these are for you:
https://wiki.unsystem.net/index.php/UnSYSTEM/Opensource_city
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Practical_Post-Scarcity_Video
we're taking steps towards this goal, maybe 1 year from now we start.

On 15/03/14 09:47, Robert Jakob wrote:
> I'm not so sure I completely agree with that, Cody. I also wouldn't
> completely disagree though. I'm a big Christopher Hitchens fan. So I
> tend to see Dictators, especially Theocratic Dictators, and even heads
> of religious organizations, including extremists, as a frightening
> plague in society. And are almost always completely devoid of humanity
> and compassion. American representative democracy certainly doesn't
> have any kind of moral high-ground. So they're both destined to implode.
>
> Which makes me wonder what a better system might look like. Would we be
> better off with a decentralised voting system where there is only a
> voluntary military force and taxes go towards health care and
> education? I mean, I've been to Kuwait and Afghanistan. And at the
> risk of sounding like some sort of capitalism apologist, I feel
> comfortable with saying that the vast majority of people in the U.S. are
> better off than most other countries in the world. Mostly because of,
> not in spite of, capitalistic exploitation, but that's nothing new
> either. They didn't invent profiteering and opportunism. I'm fairly
> sure, for better or worse, capitalism has just about run it's course
> though. Smarter men than me would have a difficult time speculating a
> time-frame, but it might be in everyone's best interests to transition
> into something a sustainable. I don't just mean renewable energy
> either. I've read Buckminster Fuller, Jacque Fresco, seen all the
> Zeitgeist documentaries, Culture in Decline, and countless other books
> and films. The unanswered question is how do we even begin to establish
> a more adequate system? The irony is the founders of America were
> trying to create a democratic utopia in complete opposition to
> dictatorial Monarchies and the Catholic Tyranny. Only to give birth to
> something that is arguably as bad or worse. I think those free-mason
> occultists would be rolling in their graves if they knew how horribly we
> squandered such a precious opportunity.
>
> I digress, I constantly consider what the future might look like. I
> like things like the Seasteading Institute and The Venus Project, but
> wouldn't it be easier and in everyone's best interest to fix the system
> we have instead of trying to start from scratch? Both options are
> daunting to say the least, but obviously worth the effort.
>
> I apologize about this lengthy disorganized rant, but it's worth
> discussing and there so many intelligent and motivated people involved
> in these discussions, we should be able to come up with some solutions
> or brainstorm about steps in the right direction. Anyway, we can't
> count on the capitalists or the government lead us into the future,
> because they only benefit from keeping everything exactly the same. I'm
> interested and anxious to know what everyone else's thoughts are.
>
>
> -Robert
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???
> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Just meant he was to be dismissed as a locus of insight. He wins
>     awards and does commercials.

>
>     We all know bureaucratic capitalism is a much scarier thing than any
>     one tyrant.

>
>     On Mar 14, 2014 4:23 AM, "Jacob" <jacobusbogers@???
>     <mailto:jacobusbogers@gmail.com>> wrote:

>
>         BBC is gatekeeper bullshit

>
>
>         On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Bernd Jendrissek
>         <unsystem@??? <mailto:unsystem@bpj-code.co.za>> wrote:

>
>             On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Robert Jakob
>             <rsjakob@??? <mailto:rsjakob@gmail.com>> wrote:
>             > I wouldn't go as far as saying Obama is a grocery clerk or
>             a sales
>             > men, but it's obvious that he's pushing an agenda contrary
>             to what is
>             > actually healthy for the populous.

>
>             LOL, I don't even know what "Obama is a grocery clerk" is
>             supposed to mean.

>
>             > I think maybe the trick is that we think anyone is
>             actually in charge, but
>             > the reality is history is being driven by rich men for
>             their own person
>             > short term gains.

>
>             "The establishment" / government / "the elite" / whatever
>             are not
>             monolithic. They consist of individuals who each have their
>             individual
>             agendas: career-building, gaining commercial advantage, or even
>             ideology. These individuals often cooperate, but only loosely
>             (compared to the grand conspiracies that anti-establishment
>             types
>             often invoke).

>
>             > I know one thing for certain if I were running the show
>             > Cody Wilson wouldn't be allowed on network TV.  So either
>             they don't
>             > consider him a threat or he just hasn't threatened the
>             right people yet.

>
>             Or maybe there is no conspiracy. Maybe the host and the show
>             managers
>             just want to make a name for themselves, interviewing "edgy" /
>             "controversial" people, as a result gathering they eyeballs
>             that they
>             covet.
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