Kisses to the tecnoshamanists girls xname and vick... aswell!!!
2014-03-08 11:02 GMT-03:00 fabi borges <catadores@???>:
> Exactly. I think your event is very fascinating because I've been
> involved in a lot of progressive movement and am frequently annoyed by a
> very evolutionary view of history which reduces all religious experience
> to superstition; often by people oblivious to the fact that by doing so,
> they're writing off 99% of human history & behaving like a form of
> cultural imperialists; the secular scientific worldview which was mainly
> developed during the 20th century is very valuable and has, among other
> things, given us digital technology itself, but it has also undermined
> the epistemological "monism" behind Marx' thesis of religion as opium
> for the masses.
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> I agree with you... I think this progressives movement have lots of good
> intention,
> but they repeat the structure of evolution and development with huge
> prejudice!
>
> We need more magic, our imagination is atrophied. We constantly deny the
> subjectivity of things, matter, elements, as if only we have some
> intelligence. This leaves us poorer in spirit and more submissive to
> control systems. In the end animism had something to teach us. Things think
> and negotiate. If anthropocene is a reality, we still need to ally
> ourselves to those who resist it, those who love the forests, the rivers,
> and relate in a different way with these living materials. Point of views
> in dispute.
>
>
> Anyway, this event sounds really fascinating, and if I could afford the
> trip, I'd definitely go.
>
> We have a permaculture residence after the festival in the Itapeco place,
> so if you want to stay a bit more,
> you could stay there, doing some permaculture stuff.
>
> yes, came!!
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> :-)
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> 2014-03-08 10:32 GMT-03:00 Carsten Agger <agger@???>:
>
>> Hi fabi
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I think have lots of connection between shamanism and candomble or
>> > ubanda... maybe shamanism is before... before the "religion"...
>> > it was there before the organization of the myths....
>> >
>> > possession, incarnation, connection with the forces of nature, forces as
>> > gods or spirits.....
>> >
>>
>> Exactly. I think your event is very fascinating because I've been
>> involved in a lot of progressive movement and am frequently annoyed by a
>> very evolutionary view of history which reduces all religious experience
>> to superstition; often by people oblivious to the fact that by doing so,
>> they're writing off 99% of human history & behaving like a form of
>> cultural imperialists; the secular scientific worldview which was mainly
>> developed during the 20th century is very valuable and has, among other
>> things, given us digital technology itself, but it has also undermined
>> the epistemological "monism" behind Marx' thesis of religion as opium
>> for the masses.
>>
>> Anyway, this event sounds really fascinating, and if I could afford the
>> trip, I'd definitely go.
>>
>> > We are using a lot Viveiros de Castro, Perpectivism ideas, to help us
>> > conceptualize the term.... but so many people are developing this ideas
>> > about technoshamanism.... with the same name or very diferent names....
>> >
>> > I wish i could read your text. I did not find the english version, do
>> > you have it?
>> >
>>
>> Alas, it was never translated to English. I hope to find the time to do
>> it some day. Google Translate could give you an idea, but it's not
>> really useful for long texts, of course.
>>
>> Best,
>> Carsten
>>
>>
>>
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