This doesn't work too well when many people choose Justin bieber as one of
their 'friends'.

Bitcoin is bootstrapped by about 8 ish DNS seeds, but these only deliver
addr messages about other peers, which the client then begins downloading
blocks from.
On 16 Feb 2014 16:49, "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???> wrote:

> Everybody links to a friend through a social graph.
> The data on the wire is udp with a 4 byte counter nonce and all
> crypto/garbage
> after that. It's not obfuscated but doesn't go out of it's way to identify
> itself.
> (I'm told it can be identified by Sandvine DPI boxes)
>
> I don't know of any reports to date of actual cjdns traffic being
> dropped/mangled.
>
> On 02/16/2014 11:45 AM, Jacob wrote:
> > I know btc is bootstrapped by 4 (?) nodes hardcoded into the source,..,
> how
> > is hyperboria bootstrapped ? and where are the nodes located (in wich
> main
> > domain).
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Wonder if they're dropping hyperboria.net yet
> >> like Russia
> >>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan/comments/1wl74h/russian_isp_blocks_hyperborianrt/
> >> and China
> >> http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/index.php?siteurl=hyperboria.net
> >>
> >> #censorship #fail
> >>
> >> On 02/16/2014 09:50 AM, Jacob wrote:
> >>> Since most phones would play the role of a relay-hub it would require
> >>> continues operation,..., again we are back at the energy problem.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Drak <drak@???> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Interestingly enough there are already some meshnet tech taking
> >> advantage
> >>>> of mobile phones. it's just a matter of reprogramming them and voila
> -
> >> and
> >>>> of course, phone density is huge so the infrastructure is there
> >> already. I
> >>>> heard one was setup during shutdowns in Egypt(?) when the gov turned
> off
> >>>> the mobile phone towers.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 16 February 2014 13:59, Robert Williamson <bobalot@???>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Try using WiFi continuously on your android phone. It'll burn through
> >> the
> >>>>> battery in a couple of hours under heavy load. WiFi on phones is
> >> inherently
> >>>>> short range too.
> >>>>> On 16 Feb 2014 13:48, "Jacob" <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Keeping the card in your pocket is not really exposing it to the sun
> >>>>>> either,
> >>>>>> Why dont they try an adriod app using the wifi/bluetooth
> capabilities
> >> of
> >>>>>> an adriod smartphone instead of making hardware from scratch?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Robert Williamson <
> bobalot@???
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What they're describing isn't really currently possible, from an
> >>>>>>> engineering standpoint, the power requirements for continuous
> >> wireless and
> >>>>>>> occasional solar recharging won't fit into that form factor.
> >>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2014 13:37, "Jacob" <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I checked progress on the bitcoincard, but its kindof silent
> >>>>>>>> http://bitcoincard.org/blog/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No updates, why, whats going on?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> USA is the biggest economy, so not neglecting it,..,FCC forbids
> any
> >>>>>>>>> encryption on "packet radio" this extends to the application
> >> layer. I
> >>>>>>>>> don't see how oversees transmissions are possible with ISM .
> >> without long
> >>>>>>>>> wavelength transmissions. Continents are divided by oceans, there
> >> are no
> >>>>>>>>> ocean faring cities yet.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Drak <drak@???> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe in the USA, but the USA is not the rest of the world, and
> in
> >>>>>>>>>> any case this simply talks about encryption of the transmission.
> >> Ad hoc
> >>>>>>>>>> networks are allowed in the USA, there is whitespace to place
> >> with for
> >>>>>>>>>> short distances and the ruling only seems to apply to the
> >> transport layer.
> >>>>>>>>>> You cant apply that to protocols that might setup outside of the
> >> transport,
> >>>>>>>>>> above layers 2 and 3. The ruling also only applied to HAM
> >> frequencies, and
> >>>>>>>>>> we are not talking about HAM radio, but about using whitespace
> >> for adhoc
> >>>>>>>>>> networks.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Drak
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 16 February 2014 13:14, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Actually not, there are open frequencies"
> >>>>>>>>>>> No Link provided?
> >>>>>>>>>>> The FCC ruling is quite clear, no encryption on the
> transmission
> >> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> radio packets.
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-dismisses-encryption-petition
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Drak <drak@???> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Actually not, there are open frequencies. YMMV and there is
> also
> >>>>>>>>>>>> this coming along: http://bitcoincard.org/ from the Mycelium
> >>>>>>>>>>>> guys, watch the video, it's pretty impressive.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 February 2014 12:30, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Never seen it before, but just to be clear, transmissions of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> encrypted data over HAM radio frequencies is a violation of
> >> FCC rules and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> brings criminal prosecution....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So it seem we will be needing our own satalites,..., anyone
> >> has a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> phone nr of Elen Musk?)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Drak <drak@???>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you see this? http://www.openlibernet.org/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 February 2014 12:18, dávid <chaser@???> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's time to set up wireless mesh networks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How long till Bitcoin packet filtering kicks in? Is it
> >> possible
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to identify and block those packets on an ISP-level? Or to
> >> block node
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discovery? Afaik, it's not end-to-end encrypted (or
> >> encrypted at all).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/16/2014 12:33, Amir Taaki wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140211/19014226192/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uk-govt-goes-extraterritorial-to-clean-up-web-ministers-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking-to-block-extremist-videos-foreign-websites.shtml
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this makes me sad how predictable this all is. it's really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happening.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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