Since most phones would play the role of a relay-hub it would require
continues operation,..., again we are back at the energy problem.


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Drak <drak@???> wrote:

> Interestingly enough there are already some meshnet tech taking advantage
> of mobile phones. it's just a matter of reprogramming them and voila - and
> of course, phone density is huge so the infrastructure is there already. I
> heard one was setup during shutdowns in Egypt(?) when the gov turned off
> the mobile phone towers.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2014 13:59, Robert Williamson <bobalot@???> wrote:
>
>> Try using WiFi continuously on your android phone. It'll burn through the
>> battery in a couple of hours under heavy load. WiFi on phones is inherently
>> short range too.
>> On 16 Feb 2014 13:48, "Jacob" <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Keeping the card in your pocket is not really exposing it to the sun
>>> either,
>>> Why dont they try an adriod app using the wifi/bluetooth capabilities of
>>> an adriod smartphone instead of making hardware from scratch?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Robert Williamson <bobalot@???>wrote:
>>>
>>>> What they're describing isn't really currently possible, from an
>>>> engineering standpoint, the power requirements for continuous wireless and
>>>> occasional solar recharging won't fit into that form factor.
>>>> On 16 Feb 2014 13:37, "Jacob" <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I checked progress on the bitcoincard, but its kindof silent
>>>>> http://bitcoincard.org/blog/
>>>>>
>>>>> No updates, why, whats going on?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> USA is the biggest economy, so not neglecting it,..,FCC forbids any
>>>>>> encryption on "packet radio" this extends to the application layer. I
>>>>>> don't see how oversees transmissions are possible with ISM . without long
>>>>>> wavelength transmissions. Continents are divided by oceans, there are no
>>>>>> ocean faring cities yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Drak <drak@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe in the USA, but the USA is not the rest of the world, and in
>>>>>>> any case this simply talks about encryption of the transmission. Ad hoc
>>>>>>> networks are allowed in the USA, there is whitespace to place with for
>>>>>>> short distances and the ruling only seems to apply to the transport layer.
>>>>>>> You cant apply that to protocols that might setup outside of the transport,
>>>>>>> above layers 2 and 3. The ruling also only applied to HAM frequencies, and
>>>>>>> we are not talking about HAM radio, but about using whitespace for adhoc
>>>>>>> networks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Drak
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 February 2014 13:14, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Actually not, there are open frequencies"
>>>>>>>> No Link provided?
>>>>>>>> The FCC ruling is quite clear, no encryption on the transmission of
>>>>>>>> radio packets.
>>>>>>>> http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-dismisses-encryption-petition
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Drak <drak@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually not, there are open frequencies. YMMV and there is also
>>>>>>>>> this coming along: http://bitcoincard.org/ from the Mycelium
>>>>>>>>> guys, watch the video, it's pretty impressive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 16 February 2014 12:30, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Never seen it before, but just to be clear, transmissions of
>>>>>>>>>> encrypted data over HAM radio frequencies is a violation of FCC rules and
>>>>>>>>>> brings criminal prosecution....
>>>>>>>>>> So it seem we will be needing our own satalites,..., anyone has a
>>>>>>>>>> phone nr of Elen Musk?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Drak <drak@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have you see this? http://www.openlibernet.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 February 2014 12:18, dávid <chaser@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's time to set up wireless mesh networks.
>>>>>>>>>>>> How long till Bitcoin packet filtering kicks in? Is it possible
>>>>>>>>>>>> to identify and block those packets on an ISP-level? Or to block node
>>>>>>>>>>>> discovery? Afaik, it's not end-to-end encrypted (or encrypted at all).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/16/2014 12:33, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140211/19014226192/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> uk-govt-goes-extraterritorial-to-clean-up-web-ministers-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking-to-block-extremist-videos-foreign-websites.shtml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this makes me sad how predictable this all is. it's really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happening.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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