I'd not like to get into a long debate about this. You are referring to ISM
bands. There are a lot of whitespace bands. Probably we are talking about
cross purposes. I am talking about meshness using adhoc networks using
white space. Wifi networks are the first good example on a wide-scale and
they very much are encrypted, and there are efforts by governments to free
up more and more white space for short distance transmission devices.
Devices cannot interfere with ranges that are already allocated for other
purposes, that is a given, and some bands are forbidden entirely, but this
does not stop meshnets using space that is legally allocated for short
distance transmissions, aka, whitespace.

Drak


On 16 February 2014 13:34, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:

> USA is the biggest economy, so not neglecting it,..,FCC forbids any
> encryption on "packet radio" this extends to the application layer. I
> don't see how oversees transmissions are possible with ISM . without long
> wavelength transmissions. Continents are divided by oceans, there are no
> ocean faring cities yet.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Drak <drak@???> wrote:
>
>> Maybe in the USA, but the USA is not the rest of the world, and in any
>> case this simply talks about encryption of the transmission. Ad hoc
>> networks are allowed in the USA, there is whitespace to place with for
>> short distances and the ruling only seems to apply to the transport layer.
>> You cant apply that to protocols that might setup outside of the transport,
>> above layers 2 and 3. The ruling also only applied to HAM frequencies, and
>> we are not talking about HAM radio, but about using whitespace for adhoc
>> networks.
>>
>> Drak
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2014 13:14, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:
>>
>>> "Actually not, there are open frequencies"
>>> No Link provided?
>>> The FCC ruling is quite clear, no encryption on the transmission of
>>> radio packets.
>>> http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-dismisses-encryption-petition
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Drak <drak@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually not, there are open frequencies. YMMV and there is also this
>>>> coming along: http://bitcoincard.org/ from the Mycelium guys, watch
>>>> the video, it's pretty impressive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2014 12:30, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Never seen it before, but just to be clear, transmissions of
>>>>> encrypted data over HAM radio frequencies is a violation of FCC rules and
>>>>> brings criminal prosecution....
>>>>> So it seem we will be needing our own satalites,..., anyone has a
>>>>> phone nr of Elen Musk?)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Drak <drak@???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you see this? http://www.openlibernet.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 February 2014 12:18, dávid <chaser@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's time to set up wireless mesh networks.
>>>>>>> How long till Bitcoin packet filtering kicks in? Is it possible to
>>>>>>> identify and block those packets on an ISP-level? Or to block node
>>>>>>> discovery? Afaik, it's not end-to-end encrypted (or encrypted at all).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/16/2014 12:33, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140211/19014226192/
>>>>>>>> uk-govt-goes-extraterritorial-to-clean-up-web-ministers-
>>>>>>>> looking-to-block-extremist-videos-foreign-websites.shtml
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this makes me sad how predictable this all is. it's really
>>>>>>>> happening.
>>>>>>>>
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