Strange that rape being rampent in a system (jail) where your every
movement is 100% controlled by the state.
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On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Thomas Hartman <thomas@???>wrote:

> No not really strange. In the holocaust Jew on Jew violence was prevalent
> and Jews were their own jailers under the kapo system. Divide and
> demoralize is a the best strategy for a bully, true in kindergarten also.
>
> What is maybe a little strange is that prison violence and rape are
> actually on the decline, precipitous, in the USA at least.
>
> It seems so many people have been locked up that "normals" nonviolent folk
> now outnumber the sadists and sociopath population and so life behind bars
> is ironically becoming less hazardous if you are swept into the net.
>
> Another benefit brought by the war on drugs.
> On Jan 31, 2014 6:19 AM, "Jacob" <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:
>
>> It is indeed very strange that most rape happens in the confinement of
>> government protection (jail).
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Thomas Hartman <
>> thomas@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Mainstream western society embraces the notion that male criminals
>>> should be raped in prison (universal soap jokes).
>>>
>>> A more enlightened perspective is that prison rape should only happen to
>>> sex offenders, or possibly only to pedophiles.
>>>
>>> To weaponize sex is a simple easy way to control both male and female
>>> populations, and get them to shut up and not complain about it.
>>>
>>> Because who domains about a funny joke right?
>>> On Jan 30, 2014 7:19 PM, "Joerg Platzer" <joerg@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Then it is the duty for us all to help destroy cultural shackles.... "
>>>>
>>>> No can you please leave my shackles alone?
>>>>
>>>> "Cultural slavery is just that if we excuse rape and abuse because
>>>> someone says it's culture well I say fuck your culture I have my own, ..."
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. So why the hell do you want to tell people they have a "duty"
>>>> to mess with my shackles?
>>>>
>>>> My culture!?
>>>>
>>>> You have completely missunderstood the term "culture".
>>>>
>>>> And I am not aware of any human society that "culturally" excuses rape
>>>> and abuse. I mean openly, as a "cultural" value.
>>>>
>>>> ++jp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> Von: unSYSTEM [unsystem-bounces@???]&quot; im Auftrag von
>>>> &quot;Aimee Maree [aimee@???]
>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2014 22:10
>>>> An: System undo crew
>>>> Cc: System undo crew
>>>> Betreff: Re: [unSYSTEM] Where are all the women in Bitcoin? Here they
>>>> are!
>>>>
>>>> Then it is the duty for us all to help destroy cultural shackles.... It
>>>> has taken me years in my family to make them realise their culture is not
>>>> mine and I do not acknowledge their gods or their sexist ways... I have
>>>> shown my cousins the same they do not need to be married with babies to
>>>> hold worth and value... This is the first generation of women in my family
>>>> who have university degrees :)
>>>>
>>>> It has been and is the biggest burden in my life... someone else's
>>>> views oppressed on me because of a land my mothers mother happened to be
>>>> born in... I can not think of a more ridiculous argument... And I am made
>>>> to feel bad by relatives all the time... I you ask them I just make
>>>> computers do things and soon I'll have babies... tell them I have presented
>>>> on an international stage and they will still tell me how amazing it is my
>>>> male cousin works as a programmer for a horrible mining company... I bought
>>>> my mother a house because that is my cultural obligation to take care of
>>>> her... so I pay $$ for my rent and $$ for a mortgage for a house for my mum
>>>> to spend 3 days a week in because it's her cultural obligation to take care
>>>> of my grandmother... Try explaining that to the average Aussie and they
>>>> look at you like your insane...
>>>>
>>>> I counsel women all the time and men who are like me born into two
>>>> worlds and forced into accepting the ancient one they don't agree with...
>>>>
>>>> Their are many great talks on this topic it is something that is close
>>>> to my heart and my particular activism. Cultural slavery is just that if we
>>>> excuse rape and abuse because someone says it's culture well I say fuck
>>>> your culture I have my own, culture is intrinsic to us all and whilst we
>>>> have forced extrinsic cultural values they should not be foreshadowed by
>>>> intrinsic ones...
>>>>
>>>> also these people depend on us, the old saying am I my brothers
>>>> keeper... yes I am... yes I am!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On 31 Jan 2014, at 7:17 am, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I empathize with all humans as we are all subject to our
>>>> circumstances,
>>>> > which we were born into, and ultimately out of. I am me because of
>>>> > forces that existed before me, and the same is true for others.
>>>> >
>>>> > If you tell a better story, build a better culture, and inspire new
>>>> generations
>>>> > then there is no reason to brandish weapons to destroy the things we
>>>> > disagree with.
>>>> >
>>>> > It is not necessary to destroy old worlds, only build them. There are
>>>> > people we must defend against, but they are not those bound by
>>>> > cultural shackles, they are those who will take from the many to
>>>> > enrich only themselves or a select few - with no remorse.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Jan 30, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the
>>>> >> trenches of your own mind to find that.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> point taken. your words are wise.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> but I feel in your writings, a certain sense of empathy with all of
>>>> >> humanity on an equal level. certainly if we want to help people, we
>>>> need
>>>> >> to understand through empathy rather than dictating from a position
>>>> of
>>>> >> power. yet in some ways, while I remain hopeful for the world as a
>>>> >> whole, I'm not feeling empathy with everyone nor feeling a pressing
>>>> urge
>>>> >> to rescue wage slaves, your everyday fascist, gold diggers or
>>>> overgrown
>>>> >> frat boys. as a culture, I want it to die.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On 30/01/14 01:50, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>> >>> You didn't attack "culture". You attacked people. You didn't call
>>>> culture a
>>>> >>> whore, you called actual people whores. People you don't know and
>>>> who
>>>> >>> you have generalized about. You are spoken about as a genius and a
>>>> >>> visionary. Forgive me if I hold you to a standard you are not
>>>> prepared to meet.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> If you hate your own nature then feel free to hate it. But we are
>>>> all human
>>>> >>> and subject to the follies that come with that. Our individual
>>>> circumstances
>>>> >>> are rolls of the dice. Calling someone a whore because she does not
>>>> fit into
>>>> >>> the cultural stereotype you wish to prevail seems unnecessary.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> So what if you can get a few people to agree with you or a few
>>>> women to back
>>>> >>> you because they feel the same way? A mob may be right insomuch as
>>>> it may
>>>> >>> destroy all opposition, but that does not imply actual truth. Are
>>>> beautiful women
>>>> >>> who aren't really very intelligent and end up in a circumstance
>>>> where they are
>>>> >>> compelled to be a "booth babe" really to be hated so deeply? They
>>>> can hardly
>>>> >>> be one of the primary threats to global peace and human unity.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> To me it seems apparent that the real enemy is fear and the actions
>>>> that we
>>>> >>> commit out of fear - murder, violence, war, and lynching - verbal
>>>> or physical.
>>>> >>> If we're going to claim some moral superiority then we should be
>>>> prepared to
>>>> >>> live up to it. "I'm smart and you're dumb, so fuck you!" isn't
>>>> really a great
>>>> >>> argument.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> If I am born smart does that make me virtuous? No.
>>>> >>> If I am born with less intelligence does that ensure my
>>>> worthlessness? No.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Some people are born beautiful, some aren't. Some are born
>>>> intelligent, some
>>>> >>> aren't. Some are neither beautiful nor intelligent, and some are
>>>> beautiful and
>>>> >>> intelligent. What does it matter? These are all rolls of the dice.
>>>> Can we in good
>>>> >>> conscience hate based on race or gender? I think not. So why based
>>>> on other
>>>> >>> arbitrary metrics do we consider it okay? Do you really feel like
>>>> you have
>>>> >>> liberated yourself from the chains of your history? Have you
>>>> overcome yourself,
>>>> >>> your relationship to your family, your ethnicity, and your
>>>> intelligence to find
>>>> >>> yourself resting in a place of peace and lucidity so that you may
>>>> move only with
>>>> >>> conscious volition? It seems the answer to that question is obvious.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> If you can't - with all your brains and superiority. Then what
>>>> chance do these
>>>> >>> people you look down upon have? With genius comes power and with
>>>> power
>>>> >>> responsibility. You may see these people as icons of things that
>>>> you find
>>>> >>> repulsive and destructive, but they are just human beings. Tiny,
>>>> mortal beings
>>>> >>> trapped between a great nothing and an infinity - trying to find a
>>>> bit of meaning
>>>> >>> and love before they meet an uncertain end.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hope that we, in this position we find ourselves in - as builders
>>>> of the future -
>>>> >>> take the time to avoid this mob-like hatred of the things that we
>>>> fear and instead
>>>> >>> try to see them fully and act as protectors of our brothers and
>>>> sisters, not
>>>> >>> tyrants who mistake the thoughts that live inside a mind for the
>>>> actual person.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> These people are our brothers and sisters. They may be lost, and it
>>>> is our job
>>>> >>> to find the truth and bring it to them with the love and support
>>>> that is required
>>>> >>> of our family. It doesn't matter how many people +1 or pat each
>>>> other on the
>>>> >>> back. It is wrong to generalize and hate and It always will be. An
>>>> angry mob
>>>> >>> can destroy a mind or burn a body but they can never move the truth.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the
>>>> trenches of
>>>> >>> your own mind to find that.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Also there's a difference between a woman who is forced to
>>>> prostitute
>>>> >>>> because she is dependent or in bad situation, someone who just
>>>> enjoys to
>>>> >>>> do it (no problem with that either- personal choice) VS girls who
>>>> use
>>>> >>>> their sexuality to curry favour for personal benefits -
>>>> *especially*
>>>> >>>> when those benefits are bourgeoise.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> There are some really fucked up relationships that are basically a
>>>> >>>> business arrangement. Many of them even involve kids and
>>>> marriages. They
>>>> >>>> have no love except a mutual arrangement. When the money dries up,
>>>> the
>>>> >>>> man loses his wife. When the woman gets old, she is worthless.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> And imagine the kids raised in those families!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2UPNjRvB8
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> The blonde girl is reduced to tears because what Jane Elliott
>>>> says, she
>>>> >>>> knows deep down in her heart is true.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> On 30/01/14 00:00, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>> >>>>> What do you mean by superiority? I don't think all cultures are
>>>> equally
>>>> >>>>> valid. I don't mind putting down crap culture.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82WwqXyyWXg
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> This is promoted by mainstream culture. Yet sex itself is a big
>>>> taboo.
>>>> >>>>> Instead of teaching teenagers about relationships, we push
>>>> >>>>> celebrity/products/consumerism on them.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> We are not promoting healthy attitudes to life in general. The
>>>> world is
>>>> >>>>> fucked up because adults cannot have normal relationships with
>>>> each
>>>> >>>>> other. Sex is feared. Women are objects. Men want a pure woman.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> This is common throughout the world. Many men have it:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> There are Saudi princes who maintain whore-houses while raising a
>>>> family
>>>> >>>>> with other women.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On 29/01/14 22:38, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> I'm making no comment on any systems.
>>>> >>>>>> I'm saying you're claiming some sort of intellectual superiority
>>>> which you are
>>>> >>>>>> neglecting to use towards those you do not feel an immediate
>>>> cultural connection with.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> We don't live in a world of victims and oppressors. Everyone is
>>>> >>>>>>> complicit in some way.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:39, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you trying to make a statement about the system which
>>>> forces people
>>>> >>>>>>>> to make compromises and are placed in a situation where they
>>>> curry
>>>> >>>>>>>> favour not through their actions as people. But is it so
>>>> passive? Would
>>>> >>>>>>>> you say the same about Sabu who betrayed Hammond? In the end
>>>> when we
>>>> >>>>>>>> participate in a culture, we grow that culture too and are
>>>> responsible
>>>> >>>>>>>> for carrying a situation we would prefer not to endure.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:30, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not everyone is born a genius. Those people have a place in
>>>> the world as
>>>> >>>>>>>>> well.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Genius is a gift, compassion is a choice.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Elizabeth Ploshay wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> */Elizabeth T. Ploshay/*
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> elizabeth@??? <mailto:
>>>> elizabeth@???>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Manager of Communications
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bitcoin Magazine
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> elizabethtploshay.com <http://elizabethtploshay.com/>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Liad Shababo <
>>>> liad@???
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:liad@shababo.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rough day?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> He got a double full page spread in London's biggest evening
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> paper, which credited him amongst other things, as a genius.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wollit/status/428575608709578753
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 21:24, Anthony D'Onofrio <
>>>> iamtexture@???
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You lost me at the dumb whores part.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Value does not stem from living up to any
>>>> culturally-mandated
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> expectations.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not culture at large and not yours or mine. Women should be
>>>> able
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to dress
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> however they like and still demand respect and love. That
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> includes American,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Muslim, Asian, slutty, skimpy, nude, sexy, frumpy -
>>>> whatever.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> These women
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> are no less women because of the clothing they put on.
>>>> They're
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> just like
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> everyone else - tiny people on a big world in an even larger
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> universe,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> unsure of who they are and what they are, responding to the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> environment
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> they found themselves in, the mental state they were born
>>>> into,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> mental state of those around them.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Men respond to beautiful women. Even women respond to
>>>> beautiful
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> women.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A very simple marketing tool is getting beautiful women to
>>>> stand
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> next to a
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> product. Or hand out a product. Or use a product. This is
>>>> not
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> exploitative of
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the beautiful women or reflective of their value. It is
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> reflective of us as a whole,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> human animals - who are driven by impulses that are not
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> culturally mandated,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> but which extend from our being as animals who require
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> procreation and
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> survival. This is exploitative of the men who are tricked
>>>> into
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> associating this
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> product with beautiful women.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like you're having a rough day Amir. I hope it gets
>>>> better.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wg481/hot_asian_chicks_giving_out_free_bitcoins_in_hong/
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is trash and degrading to women. People have endless
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussions
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about girls in Bitcoin and then talk like this.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And why? Because it's about promoting girls who find their
>>>> value
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> their sexuality + beauty, rather than what they
>>>> objectively do
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> as people.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Most of you who don't understand are kissless virgins who
>>>> will go
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> through their life trying to buy the affection of women.
>>>> Sex is
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> good,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> love is great... but this attitude of trying to push
>>>> bitcoin through
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> sexy women with no brains vs pushing the smart women in our
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> community is
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> trash.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For all the Bitcoiners who seek legitimacy/image and
>>>> complain
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about me
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> pushing drugs, where are the people saying this is wrong.
>>>> This
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is one of
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the highest voted stories on the front page. What did these
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> girls do to
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> get that attention of all the Bitcoiners? And what about
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth who
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> works tirelessly on Bitcoin.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We have smart capable women in our community, so why are we
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> promoting
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> these dumb whores? Who the fuck are they? Plastic girls
>>>> with big
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tits?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow you're so cool. It reminds me of when the BF choose
>>>> that young
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> plastic pretty spokesgirl to represent them on TV who knew
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing about
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin. And those BitPay adverts who use the girl in
>>>> pretty red
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lipstick to push their product. Why not promote a world
>>>> based on
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with relationships established based on mutual
>>>> understanding, rather
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> than promoting a world where men make money to fuck good
>>>> looking
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> young
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> bitches. 90% of you will never be in that bracket either.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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