http://www.meetup.com/Women-in-Bitcoin-NY/

23 ladies so far, prob gonna be at the bit coin center too.
the ladies are a com in! woohoo.
women are the best evangelists and marketers on earth.

geeks move ova.


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???> wrote:

> "..So why the hell do you want to tell people they have a "duty" to mess
> with my shackles..."
>
> So,,,freedom of choice, freedom from tyranny, freedom from rape is only
> for white blond uberaryans?
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Thomas Hartman <thomas@???
> > wrote:
>
>> Mainstream western society embraces the notion that male criminals should
>> be raped in prison (universal soap jokes).
>>
>> A more enlightened perspective is that prison rape should only happen to
>> sex offenders, or possibly only to pedophiles.
>>
>> To weaponize sex is a simple easy way to control both male and female
>> populations, and get them to shut up and not complain about it.
>>
>> Because who domains about a funny joke right?
>> On Jan 30, 2014 7:19 PM, "Joerg Platzer" <joerg@???> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Then it is the duty for us all to help destroy cultural shackles.... "
>>>
>>> No can you please leave my shackles alone?
>>>
>>> "Cultural slavery is just that if we excuse rape and abuse because
>>> someone says it's culture well I say fuck your culture I have my own, ..."
>>>
>>> Exactly. So why the hell do you want to tell people they have a "duty"
>>> to mess with my shackles?
>>>
>>> My culture!?
>>>
>>> You have completely missunderstood the term "culture".
>>>
>>> And I am not aware of any human society that "culturally" excuses rape
>>> and abuse. I mean openly, as a "cultural" value.
>>>
>>> ++jp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> Von: unSYSTEM [unsystem-bounces@???]&quot; im Auftrag von
>>> &quot;Aimee Maree [aimee@???]
>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2014 22:10
>>> An: System undo crew
>>> Cc: System undo crew
>>> Betreff: Re: [unSYSTEM] Where are all the women in Bitcoin? Here they
>>> are!
>>>
>>> Then it is the duty for us all to help destroy cultural shackles.... It
>>> has taken me years in my family to make them realise their culture is not
>>> mine and I do not acknowledge their gods or their sexist ways... I have
>>> shown my cousins the same they do not need to be married with babies to
>>> hold worth and value... This is the first generation of women in my family
>>> who have university degrees :)
>>>
>>> It has been and is the biggest burden in my life... someone else's views
>>> oppressed on me because of a land my mothers mother happened to be born
>>> in... I can not think of a more ridiculous argument... And I am made to
>>> feel bad by relatives all the time... I you ask them I just make computers
>>> do things and soon I'll have babies... tell them I have presented on an
>>> international stage and they will still tell me how amazing it is my male
>>> cousin works as a programmer for a horrible mining company... I bought my
>>> mother a house because that is my cultural obligation to take care of
>>> her... so I pay $$ for my rent and $$ for a mortgage for a house for my mum
>>> to spend 3 days a week in because it's her cultural obligation to take care
>>> of my grandmother... Try explaining that to the average Aussie and they
>>> look at you like your insane...
>>>
>>> I counsel women all the time and men who are like me born into two
>>> worlds and forced into accepting the ancient one they don't agree with...
>>>
>>> Their are many great talks on this topic it is something that is close
>>> to my heart and my particular activism. Cultural slavery is just that if we
>>> excuse rape and abuse because someone says it's culture well I say fuck
>>> your culture I have my own, culture is intrinsic to us all and whilst we
>>> have forced extrinsic cultural values they should not be foreshadowed by
>>> intrinsic ones...
>>>
>>> also these people depend on us, the old saying am I my brothers
>>> keeper... yes I am... yes I am!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 31 Jan 2014, at 7:17 am, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I empathize with all humans as we are all subject to our circumstances,
>>> > which we were born into, and ultimately out of. I am me because of
>>> > forces that existed before me, and the same is true for others.
>>> >
>>> > If you tell a better story, build a better culture, and inspire new
>>> generations
>>> > then there is no reason to brandish weapons to destroy the things we
>>> > disagree with.
>>> >
>>> > It is not necessary to destroy old worlds, only build them. There are
>>> > people we must defend against, but they are not those bound by
>>> > cultural shackles, they are those who will take from the many to
>>> > enrich only themselves or a select few - with no remorse.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Jan 30, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the
>>> >> trenches of your own mind to find that.
>>> >>
>>> >> point taken. your words are wise.
>>> >>
>>> >> but I feel in your writings, a certain sense of empathy with all of
>>> >> humanity on an equal level. certainly if we want to help people, we
>>> need
>>> >> to understand through empathy rather than dictating from a position of
>>> >> power. yet in some ways, while I remain hopeful for the world as a
>>> >> whole, I'm not feeling empathy with everyone nor feeling a pressing
>>> urge
>>> >> to rescue wage slaves, your everyday fascist, gold diggers or
>>> overgrown
>>> >> frat boys. as a culture, I want it to die.
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 30/01/14 01:50, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>> >>> You didn't attack "culture". You attacked people. You didn't call
>>> culture a
>>> >>> whore, you called actual people whores. People you don't know and who
>>> >>> you have generalized about. You are spoken about as a genius and a
>>> >>> visionary. Forgive me if I hold you to a standard you are not
>>> prepared to meet.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you hate your own nature then feel free to hate it. But we are
>>> all human
>>> >>> and subject to the follies that come with that. Our individual
>>> circumstances
>>> >>> are rolls of the dice. Calling someone a whore because she does not
>>> fit into
>>> >>> the cultural stereotype you wish to prevail seems unnecessary.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So what if you can get a few people to agree with you or a few women
>>> to back
>>> >>> you because they feel the same way? A mob may be right insomuch as
>>> it may
>>> >>> destroy all opposition, but that does not imply actual truth. Are
>>> beautiful women
>>> >>> who aren't really very intelligent and end up in a circumstance
>>> where they are
>>> >>> compelled to be a "booth babe" really to be hated so deeply? They
>>> can hardly
>>> >>> be one of the primary threats to global peace and human unity.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> To me it seems apparent that the real enemy is fear and the actions
>>> that we
>>> >>> commit out of fear - murder, violence, war, and lynching - verbal or
>>> physical.
>>> >>> If we're going to claim some moral superiority then we should be
>>> prepared to
>>> >>> live up to it. "I'm smart and you're dumb, so fuck you!" isn't
>>> really a great
>>> >>> argument.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If I am born smart does that make me virtuous? No.
>>> >>> If I am born with less intelligence does that ensure my
>>> worthlessness? No.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Some people are born beautiful, some aren't. Some are born
>>> intelligent, some
>>> >>> aren't. Some are neither beautiful nor intelligent, and some are
>>> beautiful and
>>> >>> intelligent. What does it matter? These are all rolls of the dice.
>>> Can we in good
>>> >>> conscience hate based on race or gender? I think not. So why based
>>> on other
>>> >>> arbitrary metrics do we consider it okay? Do you really feel like
>>> you have
>>> >>> liberated yourself from the chains of your history? Have you
>>> overcome yourself,
>>> >>> your relationship to your family, your ethnicity, and your
>>> intelligence to find
>>> >>> yourself resting in a place of peace and lucidity so that you may
>>> move only with
>>> >>> conscious volition? It seems the answer to that question is obvious.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you can't - with all your brains and superiority. Then what
>>> chance do these
>>> >>> people you look down upon have? With genius comes power and with
>>> power
>>> >>> responsibility. You may see these people as icons of things that you
>>> find
>>> >>> repulsive and destructive, but they are just human beings. Tiny,
>>> mortal beings
>>> >>> trapped between a great nothing and an infinity - trying to find a
>>> bit of meaning
>>> >>> and love before they meet an uncertain end.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I hope that we, in this position we find ourselves in - as builders
>>> of the future -
>>> >>> take the time to avoid this mob-like hatred of the things that we
>>> fear and instead
>>> >>> try to see them fully and act as protectors of our brothers and
>>> sisters, not
>>> >>> tyrants who mistake the thoughts that live inside a mind for the
>>> actual person.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> These people are our brothers and sisters. They may be lost, and it
>>> is our job
>>> >>> to find the truth and bring it to them with the love and support
>>> that is required
>>> >>> of our family. It doesn't matter how many people +1 or pat each
>>> other on the
>>> >>> back. It is wrong to generalize and hate and It always will be. An
>>> angry mob
>>> >>> can destroy a mind or burn a body but they can never move the truth.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the
>>> trenches of
>>> >>> your own mind to find that.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Also there's a difference between a woman who is forced to
>>> prostitute
>>> >>>> because she is dependent or in bad situation, someone who just
>>> enjoys to
>>> >>>> do it (no problem with that either- personal choice) VS girls who
>>> use
>>> >>>> their sexuality to curry favour for personal benefits - *especially*
>>> >>>> when those benefits are bourgeoise.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> There are some really fucked up relationships that are basically a
>>> >>>> business arrangement. Many of them even involve kids and marriages.
>>> They
>>> >>>> have no love except a mutual arrangement. When the money dries up,
>>> the
>>> >>>> man loses his wife. When the woman gets old, she is worthless.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> And imagine the kids raised in those families!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2UPNjRvB8
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The blonde girl is reduced to tears because what Jane Elliott says,
>>> she
>>> >>>> knows deep down in her heart is true.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On 30/01/14 00:00, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>> >>>>> What do you mean by superiority? I don't think all cultures are
>>> equally
>>> >>>>> valid. I don't mind putting down crap culture.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82WwqXyyWXg
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> This is promoted by mainstream culture. Yet sex itself is a big
>>> taboo.
>>> >>>>> Instead of teaching teenagers about relationships, we push
>>> >>>>> celebrity/products/consumerism on them.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> We are not promoting healthy attitudes to life in general. The
>>> world is
>>> >>>>> fucked up because adults cannot have normal relationships with each
>>> >>>>> other. Sex is feared. Women are objects. Men want a pure woman.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> This is common throughout the world. Many men have it:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> There are Saudi princes who maintain whore-houses while raising a
>>> family
>>> >>>>> with other women.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 29/01/14 22:38, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>> >>>>>> I'm making no comment on any systems.
>>> >>>>>> I'm saying you're claiming some sort of intellectual superiority
>>> which you are
>>> >>>>>> neglecting to use towards those you do not feel an immediate
>>> cultural connection with.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> We don't live in a world of victims and oppressors. Everyone is
>>> >>>>>>> complicit in some way.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:39, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> Are you trying to make a statement about the system which
>>> forces people
>>> >>>>>>>> to make compromises and are placed in a situation where they
>>> curry
>>> >>>>>>>> favour not through their actions as people. But is it so
>>> passive? Would
>>> >>>>>>>> you say the same about Sabu who betrayed Hammond? In the end
>>> when we
>>> >>>>>>>> participate in a culture, we grow that culture too and are
>>> responsible
>>> >>>>>>>> for carrying a situation we would prefer not to endure.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:30, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>> Not everyone is born a genius. Those people have a place in
>>> the world as
>>> >>>>>>>>> well.
>>> >>>>>>>>> Genius is a gift, compassion is a choice.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Elizabeth Ploshay wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> */Elizabeth T. Ploshay/*
>>> >>>>>>>>>> elizabeth@??? <mailto:
>>> elizabeth@???>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Manager of Communications
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bitcoin Magazine
>>> >>>>>>>>>> elizabethtploshay.com <http://elizabethtploshay.com/>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Liad Shababo <
>>> liad@???
>>> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:liad@shababo.com>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rough day?
>>> >>>>>>>>>> He got a double full page spread in London's biggest evening
>>> >>>>>>>>>> paper, which credited him amongst other things, as a genius.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wollit/status/428575608709578753
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 21:24, Anthony D'Onofrio <
>>> iamtexture@???
>>> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You lost me at the dumb whores part.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Value does not stem from living up to any culturally-mandated
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> expectations.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not culture at large and not yours or mine. Women should be
>>> able
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to dress
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> however they like and still demand respect and love. That
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> includes American,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Muslim, Asian, slutty, skimpy, nude, sexy, frumpy - whatever.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> These women
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> are no less women because of the clothing they put on.
>>> They're
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> just like
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> everyone else - tiny people on a big world in an even larger
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> universe,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> unsure of who they are and what they are, responding to the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> environment
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> they found themselves in, the mental state they were born
>>> into,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> mental state of those around them.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Men respond to beautiful women. Even women respond to
>>> beautiful
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> women.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A very simple marketing tool is getting beautiful women to
>>> stand
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> next to a
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> product. Or hand out a product. Or use a product. This is not
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> exploitative of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the beautiful women or reflective of their value. It is
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> reflective of us as a whole,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> human animals - who are driven by impulses that are not
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> culturally mandated,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> but which extend from our being as animals who require
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> procreation and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> survival. This is exploitative of the men who are tricked
>>> into
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> associating this
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> product with beautiful women.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like you're having a rough day Amir. I hope it gets
>>> better.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wg481/hot_asian_chicks_giving_out_free_bitcoins_in_hong/
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is trash and degrading to women. People have endless
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussions
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about girls in Bitcoin and then talk like this.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And why? Because it's about promoting girls who find their
>>> value
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> their sexuality + beauty, rather than what they objectively
>>> do
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> as people.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Most of you who don't understand are kissless virgins who
>>> will go
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> through their life trying to buy the affection of women.
>>> Sex is
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> good,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> love is great... but this attitude of trying to push
>>> bitcoin through
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> sexy women with no brains vs pushing the smart women in our
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> community is
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> trash.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For all the Bitcoiners who seek legitimacy/image and
>>> complain
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about me
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> pushing drugs, where are the people saying this is wrong.
>>> This
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is one of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the highest voted stories on the front page. What did these
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> girls do to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> get that attention of all the Bitcoiners? And what about
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth who
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> works tirelessly on Bitcoin.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We have smart capable women in our community, so why are we
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> promoting
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> these dumb whores? Who the fuck are they? Plastic girls
>>> with big
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tits?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow you're so cool. It reminds me of when the BF choose
>>> that young
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> plastic pretty spokesgirl to represent them on TV who knew
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing about
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin. And those BitPay adverts who use the girl in
>>> pretty red
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lipstick to push their product. Why not promote a world
>>> based on
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with relationships established based on mutual
>>> understanding, rather
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> than promoting a world where men make money to fuck good
>>> looking
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> young
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> bitches. 90% of you will never be in that bracket either.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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