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On Jan 31, 2014 3:16 AM, "Thomas Hartman" <thomas@???> wrote:
> Mainstream western society embraces the notion that male criminals should
> be raped in prison (universal soap jokes).
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> A more enlightened perspective is that prison rape should only happen to
> sex offenders, or possibly only to pedophiles.
>
> To weaponize sex is a simple easy way to control both male and female
> populations, and get them to shut up and not complain about it.
>
> Because who domains about a funny joke right?
> On Jan 30, 2014 7:19 PM, "Joerg Platzer" <joerg@???> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Then it is the duty for us all to help destroy cultural shackles.... "
>>
>> No can you please leave my shackles alone?
>>
>> "Cultural slavery is just that if we excuse rape and abuse because
>> someone says it's culture well I say fuck your culture I have my own, ..."
>>
>> Exactly. So why the hell do you want to tell people they have a "duty" to
>> mess with my shackles?
>>
>> My culture!?
>>
>> You have completely missunderstood the term "culture".
>>
>> And I am not aware of any human society that "culturally" excuses rape
>> and abuse. I mean openly, as a "cultural" value.
>>
>> ++jp
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>> ________________________________________
>> Von: unSYSTEM [unsystem-bounces@???]" im Auftrag von
>> "Aimee Maree [aimee@???]
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2014 22:10
>> An: System undo crew
>> Cc: System undo crew
>> Betreff: Re: [unSYSTEM] Where are all the women in Bitcoin? Here they are!
>>
>> Then it is the duty for us all to help destroy cultural shackles.... It
>> has taken me years in my family to make them realise their culture is not
>> mine and I do not acknowledge their gods or their sexist ways... I have
>> shown my cousins the same they do not need to be married with babies to
>> hold worth and value... This is the first generation of women in my family
>> who have university degrees :)
>>
>> It has been and is the biggest burden in my life... someone else's views
>> oppressed on me because of a land my mothers mother happened to be born
>> in... I can not think of a more ridiculous argument... And I am made to
>> feel bad by relatives all the time... I you ask them I just make computers
>> do things and soon I'll have babies... tell them I have presented on an
>> international stage and they will still tell me how amazing it is my male
>> cousin works as a programmer for a horrible mining company... I bought my
>> mother a house because that is my cultural obligation to take care of
>> her... so I pay $$ for my rent and $$ for a mortgage for a house for my mum
>> to spend 3 days a week in because it's her cultural obligation to take care
>> of my grandmother... Try explaining that to the average Aussie and they
>> look at you like your insane...
>>
>> I counsel women all the time and men who are like me born into two worlds
>> and forced into accepting the ancient one they don't agree with...
>>
>> Their are many great talks on this topic it is something that is close to
>> my heart and my particular activism. Cultural slavery is just that if we
>> excuse rape and abuse because someone says it's culture well I say fuck
>> your culture I have my own, culture is intrinsic to us all and whilst we
>> have forced extrinsic cultural values they should not be foreshadowed by
>> intrinsic ones...
>>
>> also these people depend on us, the old saying am I my brothers keeper...
>> yes I am... yes I am!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 31 Jan 2014, at 7:17 am, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I empathize with all humans as we are all subject to our circumstances,
>> > which we were born into, and ultimately out of. I am me because of
>> > forces that existed before me, and the same is true for others.
>> >
>> > If you tell a better story, build a better culture, and inspire new
>> generations
>> > then there is no reason to brandish weapons to destroy the things we
>> > disagree with.
>> >
>> > It is not necessary to destroy old worlds, only build them. There are
>> > people we must defend against, but they are not those bound by
>> > cultural shackles, they are those who will take from the many to
>> > enrich only themselves or a select few - with no remorse.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jan 30, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>> >
>> >>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the
>> >> trenches of your own mind to find that.
>> >>
>> >> point taken. your words are wise.
>> >>
>> >> but I feel in your writings, a certain sense of empathy with all of
>> >> humanity on an equal level. certainly if we want to help people, we
>> need
>> >> to understand through empathy rather than dictating from a position of
>> >> power. yet in some ways, while I remain hopeful for the world as a
>> >> whole, I'm not feeling empathy with everyone nor feeling a pressing
>> urge
>> >> to rescue wage slaves, your everyday fascist, gold diggers or overgrown
>> >> frat boys. as a culture, I want it to die.
>> >>
>> >>> On 30/01/14 01:50, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>> >>> You didn't attack "culture". You attacked people. You didn't call
>> culture a
>> >>> whore, you called actual people whores. People you don't know and who
>> >>> you have generalized about. You are spoken about as a genius and a
>> >>> visionary. Forgive me if I hold you to a standard you are not
>> prepared to meet.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you hate your own nature then feel free to hate it. But we are all
>> human
>> >>> and subject to the follies that come with that. Our individual
>> circumstances
>> >>> are rolls of the dice. Calling someone a whore because she does not
>> fit into
>> >>> the cultural stereotype you wish to prevail seems unnecessary.
>> >>>
>> >>> So what if you can get a few people to agree with you or a few women
>> to back
>> >>> you because they feel the same way? A mob may be right insomuch as it
>> may
>> >>> destroy all opposition, but that does not imply actual truth. Are
>> beautiful women
>> >>> who aren't really very intelligent and end up in a circumstance where
>> they are
>> >>> compelled to be a "booth babe" really to be hated so deeply? They can
>> hardly
>> >>> be one of the primary threats to global peace and human unity.
>> >>>
>> >>> To me it seems apparent that the real enemy is fear and the actions
>> that we
>> >>> commit out of fear - murder, violence, war, and lynching - verbal or
>> physical.
>> >>> If we're going to claim some moral superiority then we should be
>> prepared to
>> >>> live up to it. "I'm smart and you're dumb, so fuck you!" isn't
>> really a great
>> >>> argument.
>> >>>
>> >>> If I am born smart does that make me virtuous? No.
>> >>> If I am born with less intelligence does that ensure my
>> worthlessness? No.
>> >>>
>> >>> Some people are born beautiful, some aren't. Some are born
>> intelligent, some
>> >>> aren't. Some are neither beautiful nor intelligent, and some are
>> beautiful and
>> >>> intelligent. What does it matter? These are all rolls of the dice.
>> Can we in good
>> >>> conscience hate based on race or gender? I think not. So why based on
>> other
>> >>> arbitrary metrics do we consider it okay? Do you really feel like you
>> have
>> >>> liberated yourself from the chains of your history? Have you overcome
>> yourself,
>> >>> your relationship to your family, your ethnicity, and your
>> intelligence to find
>> >>> yourself resting in a place of peace and lucidity so that you may
>> move only with
>> >>> conscious volition? It seems the answer to that question is obvious.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you can't - with all your brains and superiority. Then what chance
>> do these
>> >>> people you look down upon have? With genius comes power and with power
>> >>> responsibility. You may see these people as icons of things that you
>> find
>> >>> repulsive and destructive, but they are just human beings. Tiny,
>> mortal beings
>> >>> trapped between a great nothing and an infinity - trying to find a
>> bit of meaning
>> >>> and love before they meet an uncertain end.
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope that we, in this position we find ourselves in - as builders
>> of the future -
>> >>> take the time to avoid this mob-like hatred of the things that we
>> fear and instead
>> >>> try to see them fully and act as protectors of our brothers and
>> sisters, not
>> >>> tyrants who mistake the thoughts that live inside a mind for the
>> actual person.
>> >>>
>> >>> These people are our brothers and sisters. They may be lost, and it
>> is our job
>> >>> to find the truth and bring it to them with the love and support that
>> is required
>> >>> of our family. It doesn't matter how many people +1 or pat each other
>> on the
>> >>> back. It is wrong to generalize and hate and It always will be. An
>> angry mob
>> >>> can destroy a mind or burn a body but they can never move the truth.
>> >>>
>> >>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the
>> trenches of
>> >>> your own mind to find that.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Also there's a difference between a woman who is forced to prostitute
>> >>>> because she is dependent or in bad situation, someone who just
>> enjoys to
>> >>>> do it (no problem with that either- personal choice) VS girls who use
>> >>>> their sexuality to curry favour for personal benefits - *especially*
>> >>>> when those benefits are bourgeoise.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There are some really fucked up relationships that are basically a
>> >>>> business arrangement. Many of them even involve kids and marriages.
>> They
>> >>>> have no love except a mutual arrangement. When the money dries up,
>> the
>> >>>> man loses his wife. When the woman gets old, she is worthless.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And imagine the kids raised in those families!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2UPNjRvB8 >> >>>>
>> >>>> The blonde girl is reduced to tears because what Jane Elliott says,
>> she
>> >>>> knows deep down in her heart is true.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 30/01/14 00:00, Amir Taaki wrote:
>> >>>>> What do you mean by superiority? I don't think all cultures are
>> equally
>> >>>>> valid. I don't mind putting down crap culture.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82WwqXyyWXg >> >>>>>
>> >>>>> This is promoted by mainstream culture. Yet sex itself is a big
>> taboo.
>> >>>>> Instead of teaching teenagers about relationships, we push
>> >>>>> celebrity/products/consumerism on them.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> We are not promoting healthy attitudes to life in general. The
>> world is
>> >>>>> fucked up because adults cannot have normal relationships with each
>> >>>>> other. Sex is feared. Women are objects. Men want a pure woman.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> This is common throughout the world. Many men have it:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex >> >>>>>
>> >>>>> There are Saudi princes who maintain whore-houses while raising a
>> family
>> >>>>> with other women.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 29/01/14 22:38, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>> >>>>>> I'm making no comment on any systems.
>> >>>>>> I'm saying you're claiming some sort of intellectual superiority
>> which you are
>> >>>>>> neglecting to use towards those you do not feel an immediate
>> cultural connection with.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> We don't live in a world of victims and oppressors. Everyone is
>> >>>>>>> complicit in some way.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:39, Amir Taaki wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Are you trying to make a statement about the system which forces
>> people
>> >>>>>>>> to make compromises and are placed in a situation where they
>> curry
>> >>>>>>>> favour not through their actions as people. But is it so
>> passive? Would
>> >>>>>>>> you say the same about Sabu who betrayed Hammond? In the end
>> when we
>> >>>>>>>> participate in a culture, we grow that culture too and are
>> responsible
>> >>>>>>>> for carrying a situation we would prefer not to endure.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:30, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Not everyone is born a genius. Those people have a place in the
>> world as
>> >>>>>>>>> well.
>> >>>>>>>>> Genius is a gift, compassion is a choice.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Elizabeth Ploshay wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> +1
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> */Elizabeth T. Ploshay/*
>> >>>>>>>>>> elizabeth@??? <mailto:
>> elizabeth@???>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Manager of Communications
>> >>>>>>>>>> Bitcoin Magazine
>> >>>>>>>>>> elizabethtploshay.com <http://elizabethtploshay.com/>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Liad Shababo <
>> liad@???
>> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:liad@shababo.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Rough day?
>> >>>>>>>>>> He got a double full page spread in London's biggest evening
>> >>>>>>>>>> paper, which credited him amongst other things, as a genius.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wollit/status/428575608709578753 >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 21:24, Anthony D'Onofrio <
>> iamtexture@???
>> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> You lost me at the dumb whores part.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Value does not stem from living up to any culturally-mandated
>> >>>>>>>>>>> expectations.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not culture at large and not yours or mine. Women should be
>> able
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to dress
>> >>>>>>>>>>> however they like and still demand respect and love. That
>> >>>>>>>>>>> includes American,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Muslim, Asian, slutty, skimpy, nude, sexy, frumpy - whatever.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> These women
>> >>>>>>>>>>> are no less women because of the clothing they put on. They're
>> >>>>>>>>>>> just like
>> >>>>>>>>>>> everyone else - tiny people on a big world in an even larger
>> >>>>>>>>>>> universe,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> unsure of who they are and what they are, responding to the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> environment
>> >>>>>>>>>>> they found themselves in, the mental state they were born
>> into,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> mental state of those around them.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Men respond to beautiful women. Even women respond to
>> beautiful
>> >>>>>>>>>>> women.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> A very simple marketing tool is getting beautiful women to
>> stand
>> >>>>>>>>>>> next to a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> product. Or hand out a product. Or use a product. This is not
>> >>>>>>>>>>> exploitative of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the beautiful women or reflective of their value. It is
>> >>>>>>>>>>> reflective of us as a whole,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> human animals - who are driven by impulses that are not
>> >>>>>>>>>>> culturally mandated,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> but which extend from our being as animals who require
>> >>>>>>>>>>> procreation and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> survival. This is exploitative of the men who are tricked into
>> >>>>>>>>>>> associating this
>> >>>>>>>>>>> product with beautiful women.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like you're having a rough day Amir. I hope it gets
>> better.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wg481/hot_asian_chicks_giving_out_free_bitcoins_in_hong/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is trash and degrading to women. People have endless
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussions
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about girls in Bitcoin and then talk like this.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And why? Because it's about promoting girls who find their
>> value
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> through
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> their sexuality + beauty, rather than what they objectively
>> do
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> as people.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Most of you who don't understand are kissless virgins who
>> will go
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> through their life trying to buy the affection of women. Sex
>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> good,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> love is great... but this attitude of trying to push bitcoin
>> through
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> sexy women with no brains vs pushing the smart women in our
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> community is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> trash.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For all the Bitcoiners who seek legitimacy/image and complain
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about me
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> pushing drugs, where are the people saying this is wrong.
>> This
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is one of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the highest voted stories on the front page. What did these
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> girls do to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> get that attention of all the Bitcoiners? And what about
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth who
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> works tirelessly on Bitcoin.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We have smart capable women in our community, so why are we
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> promoting
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> these dumb whores? Who the fuck are they? Plastic girls with
>> big
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tits?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow you're so cool. It reminds me of when the BF choose that
>> young
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> plastic pretty spokesgirl to represent them on TV who knew
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing about
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin. And those BitPay adverts who use the girl in pretty
>> red
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lipstick to push their product. Why not promote a world
>> based on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> love
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with relationships established based on mutual
>> understanding, rather
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> than promoting a world where men make money to fuck good
>> looking
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> young
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> bitches. 90% of you will never be in that bracket either.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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