Intrinsic culture means you own culture that you believe which can be different from that of your society that you live in your parents etc is what I meant aka external forces society and internal forces your own belief.

So a simple example your parents might be Christian but you are a Muslim... Your parents might believe in a higher power and you might believe in empiricism? Another one your mum might be a Tory and you might be a bush doofer ;) (bush doofer is a sub genre in Australia)

It is a known in psychology




> On 31 Jan 2014, at 10:44 am, Joerg Platzer <joerg@???> wrote:
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> Aimee Maree [aimee@???] said:
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> ---> "culture is intrinsic to us all and whilst we have forced extrinsic cultural values ..."
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> Aaah this line started out with real poetic power ...
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> ---> "... they should not be foreshadowed by intrinsic ones."
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> ... but then and here I lost you. What exactly do you mean?
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> However, on a side note, Toni has only just closed the gender gap as announced earlier this year by the Galippi-clan ;).
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> They seem to have spotted a Lamborghini-driver-gap yet unnoticed by the Bitcoin community as well and chose to close that too right away. I would call this forward oriented entrepreneur's spirit all the way, no? I'm not sure if we need more of this but I am dead sure we will _see_ more of it.
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>> On 31 Jan 2014, at 7:17 am, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???> wrote:
>>
>> I empathize with all humans as we are all subject to our circumstances,
>> which we were born into, and ultimately out of. I am me because of
>> forces that existed before me, and the same is true for others.
>>
>> If you tell a better story, build a better culture, and inspire new generations
>> then there is no reason to brandish weapons to destroy the things we
>> disagree with.
>>
>> It is not necessary to destroy old worlds, only build them. There are
>> people we must defend against, but they are not those bound by
>> cultural shackles, they are those who will take from the many to
>> enrich only themselves or a select few - with no remorse.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>
>>>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the
>>> trenches of your own mind to find that.
>>>
>>> point taken. your words are wise.
>>>
>>> but I feel in your writings, a certain sense of empathy with all of
>>> humanity on an equal level. certainly if we want to help people, we need
>>> to understand through empathy rather than dictating from a position of
>>> power. yet in some ways, while I remain hopeful for the world as a
>>> whole, I'm not feeling empathy with everyone nor feeling a pressing urge
>>> to rescue wage slaves, your everyday fascist, gold diggers or overgrown
>>> frat boys. as a culture, I want it to die.
>>>
>>>> On 30/01/14 01:50, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>> You didn't attack "culture". You attacked people. You didn't call culture a
>>>> whore, you called actual people whores. People you don't know and who
>>>> you have generalized about. You are spoken about as a genius and a
>>>> visionary. Forgive me if I hold you to a standard you are not prepared to meet.
>>>>
>>>> If you hate your own nature then feel free to hate it. But we are all human
>>>> and subject to the follies that come with that. Our individual circumstances
>>>> are rolls of the dice. Calling someone a whore because she does not fit into
>>>> the cultural stereotype you wish to prevail seems unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> So what if you can get a few people to agree with you or a few women to back
>>>> you because they feel the same way? A mob may be right insomuch as it may
>>>> destroy all opposition, but that does not imply actual truth. Are beautiful women
>>>> who aren't really very intelligent and end up in a circumstance where they are
>>>> compelled to be a "booth babe" really to be hated so deeply? They can hardly
>>>> be one of the primary threats to global peace and human unity.
>>>>
>>>> To me it seems apparent that the real enemy is fear and the actions that we
>>>> commit out of fear - murder, violence, war, and lynching - verbal or physical.
>>>> If we're going to claim some moral superiority then we should be prepared to
>>>> live up to it. "I'm smart and you're dumb, so fuck you!" isn't really a great
>>>> argument.
>>>>
>>>> If I am born smart does that make me virtuous? No.
>>>> If I am born with less intelligence does that ensure my worthlessness? No.
>>>>
>>>> Some people are born beautiful, some aren't. Some are born intelligent, some
>>>> aren't. Some are neither beautiful nor intelligent, and some are beautiful and
>>>> intelligent. What does it matter? These are all rolls of the dice. Can we in good
>>>> conscience hate based on race or gender? I think not. So why based on other
>>>> arbitrary metrics do we consider it okay? Do you really feel like you have
>>>> liberated yourself from the chains of your history? Have you overcome yourself,
>>>> your relationship to your family, your ethnicity, and your intelligence to find
>>>> yourself resting in a place of peace and lucidity so that you may move only with
>>>> conscious volition? It seems the answer to that question is obvious.
>>>>
>>>> If you can't - with all your brains and superiority. Then what chance do these
>>>> people you look down upon have? With genius comes power and with power
>>>> responsibility. You may see these people as icons of things that you find
>>>> repulsive and destructive, but they are just human beings. Tiny, mortal beings
>>>> trapped between a great nothing and an infinity - trying to find a bit of meaning
>>>> and love before they meet an uncertain end.
>>>>
>>>> I hope that we, in this position we find ourselves in - as builders of the future -
>>>> take the time to avoid this mob-like hatred of the things that we fear and instead
>>>> try to see them fully and act as protectors of our brothers and sisters, not
>>>> tyrants who mistake the thoughts that live inside a mind for the actual person.
>>>>
>>>> These people are our brothers and sisters. They may be lost, and it is our job
>>>> to find the truth and bring it to them with the love and support that is required
>>>> of our family. It doesn't matter how many people +1 or pat each other on the
>>>> back. It is wrong to generalize and hate and It always will be. An angry mob
>>>> can destroy a mind or burn a body but they can never move the truth.
>>>>
>>>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the trenches of
>>>> your own mind to find that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Also there's a difference between a woman who is forced to prostitute
>>>>> because she is dependent or in bad situation, someone who just enjoys to
>>>>> do it (no problem with that either- personal choice) VS girls who use
>>>>> their sexuality to curry favour for personal benefits - *especially*
>>>>> when those benefits are bourgeoise.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are some really fucked up relationships that are basically a
>>>>> business arrangement. Many of them even involve kids and marriages. They
>>>>> have no love except a mutual arrangement. When the money dries up, the
>>>>> man loses his wife. When the woman gets old, she is worthless.
>>>>>
>>>>> And imagine the kids raised in those families!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2UPNjRvB8
>>>>>
>>>>> The blonde girl is reduced to tears because what Jane Elliott says, she
>>>>> knows deep down in her heart is true.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/01/14 00:00, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>> What do you mean by superiority? I don't think all cultures are equally
>>>>>> valid. I don't mind putting down crap culture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82WwqXyyWXg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is promoted by mainstream culture. Yet sex itself is a big taboo.
>>>>>> Instead of teaching teenagers about relationships, we push
>>>>>> celebrity/products/consumerism on them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are not promoting healthy attitudes to life in general. The world is
>>>>>> fucked up because adults cannot have normal relationships with each
>>>>>> other. Sex is feared. Women are objects. Men want a pure woman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is common throughout the world. Many men have it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are Saudi princes who maintain whore-houses while raising a family
>>>>>> with other women.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 22:38, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm making no comment on any systems.
>>>>>>> I'm saying you're claiming some sort of intellectual superiority which you are
>>>>>>> neglecting to use towards those you do not feel an immediate cultural connection with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We don't live in a world of victims and oppressors. Everyone is
>>>>>>>> complicit in some way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:39, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to make a statement about the system which forces people
>>>>>>>>> to make compromises and are placed in a situation where they curry
>>>>>>>>> favour not through their actions as people. But is it so passive? Would
>>>>>>>>> you say the same about Sabu who betrayed Hammond? In the end when we
>>>>>>>>> participate in a culture, we grow that culture too and are responsible
>>>>>>>>> for carrying a situation we would prefer not to endure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:30, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone is born a genius. Those people have a place in the world as
>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>> Genius is a gift, compassion is a choice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Elizabeth Ploshay wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> */Elizabeth T. Ploshay/*
>>>>>>>>>>> elizabeth@??? <mailto:elizabeth@bitcoinmagazine.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Manager of Communications
>>>>>>>>>>> Bitcoin Magazine
>>>>>>>>>>> elizabethtploshay.com <http://elizabethtploshay.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Liad Shababo <liad@???
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:liad@shababo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rough day?
>>>>>>>>>>> He got a double full page spread in London's biggest evening
>>>>>>>>>>> paper, which credited him amongst other things, as a genius.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wollit/status/428575608709578753
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 21:24, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You lost me at the dumb whores part.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Value does not stem from living up to any culturally-mandated
>>>>>>>>>>>> expectations.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not culture at large and not yours or mine. Women should be able
>>>>>>>>>>>> to dress
>>>>>>>>>>>> however they like and still demand respect and love. That
>>>>>>>>>>>> includes American,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Muslim, Asian, slutty, skimpy, nude, sexy, frumpy - whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>> These women
>>>>>>>>>>>> are no less women because of the clothing they put on. They're
>>>>>>>>>>>> just like
>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else - tiny people on a big world in an even larger
>>>>>>>>>>>> universe,
>>>>>>>>>>>> unsure of who they are and what they are, responding to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>>>>>> they found themselves in, the mental state they were born into,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mental state of those around them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Men respond to beautiful women. Even women respond to beautiful
>>>>>>>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>>>>>>> A very simple marketing tool is getting beautiful women to stand
>>>>>>>>>>>> next to a
>>>>>>>>>>>> product. Or hand out a product. Or use a product. This is not
>>>>>>>>>>>> exploitative of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the beautiful women or reflective of their value. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> reflective of us as a whole,
>>>>>>>>>>>> human animals - who are driven by impulses that are not
>>>>>>>>>>>> culturally mandated,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but which extend from our being as animals who require
>>>>>>>>>>>> procreation and
>>>>>>>>>>>> survival. This is exploitative of the men who are tricked into
>>>>>>>>>>>> associating this
>>>>>>>>>>>> product with beautiful women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like you're having a rough day Amir. I hope it gets better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wg481/hot_asian_chicks_giving_out_free_bitcoins_in_hong/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is trash and degrading to women. People have endless
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about girls in Bitcoin and then talk like this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And why? Because it's about promoting girls who find their value
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their sexuality + beauty, rather than what they objectively do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of you who don't understand are kissless virgins who will go
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through their life trying to buy the affection of women. Sex is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> love is great... but this attitude of trying to push bitcoin through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sexy women with no brains vs pushing the smart women in our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For all the Bitcoiners who seek legitimacy/image and complain
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pushing drugs, where are the people saying this is wrong. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the highest voted stories on the front page. What did these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> girls do to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get that attention of all the Bitcoiners? And what about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works tirelessly on Bitcoin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have smart capable women in our community, so why are we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> promoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these dumb whores? Who the fuck are they? Plastic girls with big
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tits?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow you're so cool. It reminds me of when the BF choose that young
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plastic pretty spokesgirl to represent them on TV who knew
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin. And those BitPay adverts who use the girl in pretty red
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lipstick to push their product. Why not promote a world based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with relationships established based on mutual understanding, rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than promoting a world where men make money to fuck good looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> young
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitches. 90% of you will never be in that bracket either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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