[aimee@???] said:

"Really? No culture? hmmm"

Sorry, I don't get your point.

Who are you quoting?

What are you trying to say?

++jp








> On 31 Jan 2014, at 4:19 pm, Joerg Platzer <joerg@???> wrote:
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> "Then it is the duty for us all to help destroy cultural shackles.... "
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> No can you please leave my shackles alone?
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> "Cultural slavery is just that if we excuse rape and abuse because someone says it's culture well I say fuck your culture I have my own, ..."
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> Exactly. So why the hell do you want to tell people they have a "duty" to mess with my shackles?
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> My culture!?
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> You have completely missunderstood the term "culture".
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> And I am not aware of any human society that "culturally" excuses rape and abuse. I mean openly, as a "cultural" value.
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> Von: unSYSTEM [unsystem-bounces@???]&quot; im Auftrag von &quot;Aimee Maree [aimee@???]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2014 22:10
> An: System undo crew
> Cc: System undo crew
> Betreff: Re: [unSYSTEM] Where are all the women in Bitcoin? Here they are!
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> Then it is the duty for us all to help destroy cultural shackles.... It has taken me years in my family to make them realise their culture is not mine and I do not acknowledge their gods or their sexist ways... I have shown my cousins the same they do not need to be married with babies to hold worth and value... This is the first generation of women in my family who have university degrees :)
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> It has been and is the biggest burden in my life... someone else's views oppressed on me because of a land my mothers mother happened to be born in... I can not think of a more ridiculous argument... And I am made to feel bad by relatives all the time... I you ask them I just make computers do things and soon I'll have babies... tell them I have presented on an international stage and they will still tell me how amazing it is my male cousin works as a programmer for a horrible mining company... I bought my mother a house because that is my cultural obligation to take care of her... so I pay $$ for my rent and $$ for a mortgage for a house for my mum to spend 3 days a week in because it's her cultural obligation to take care of my grandmother... Try explaining that to the average Aussie and they look at you like your insane...
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> I counsel women all the time and men who are like me born into two worlds and forced into accepting the ancient one they don't agree with...
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> Their are many great talks on this topic it is something that is close to my heart and my particular activism. Cultural slavery is just that if we excuse rape and abuse because someone says it's culture well I say fuck your culture I have my own, culture is intrinsic to us all and whilst we have forced extrinsic cultural values they should not be foreshadowed by intrinsic ones...
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> also these people depend on us, the old saying am I my brothers keeper... yes I am... yes I am!
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>> On 31 Jan 2014, at 7:17 am, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???> wrote:
>>
>> I empathize with all humans as we are all subject to our circumstances,
>> which we were born into, and ultimately out of. I am me because of
>> forces that existed before me, and the same is true for others.
>>
>> If you tell a better story, build a better culture, and inspire new generations
>> then there is no reason to brandish weapons to destroy the things we
>> disagree with.
>>
>> It is not necessary to destroy old worlds, only build them. There are
>> people we must defend against, but they are not those bound by
>> cultural shackles, they are those who will take from the many to
>> enrich only themselves or a select few - with no remorse.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>
>>>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the
>>> trenches of your own mind to find that.
>>>
>>> point taken. your words are wise.
>>>
>>> but I feel in your writings, a certain sense of empathy with all of
>>> humanity on an equal level. certainly if we want to help people, we need
>>> to understand through empathy rather than dictating from a position of
>>> power. yet in some ways, while I remain hopeful for the world as a
>>> whole, I'm not feeling empathy with everyone nor feeling a pressing urge
>>> to rescue wage slaves, your everyday fascist, gold diggers or overgrown
>>> frat boys. as a culture, I want it to die.
>>>
>>>> On 30/01/14 01:50, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>> You didn't attack "culture". You attacked people. You didn't call culture a
>>>> whore, you called actual people whores. People you don't know and who
>>>> you have generalized about. You are spoken about as a genius and a
>>>> visionary. Forgive me if I hold you to a standard you are not prepared to meet.
>>>>
>>>> If you hate your own nature then feel free to hate it. But we are all human
>>>> and subject to the follies that come with that. Our individual circumstances
>>>> are rolls of the dice. Calling someone a whore because she does not fit into
>>>> the cultural stereotype you wish to prevail seems unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> So what if you can get a few people to agree with you or a few women to back
>>>> you because they feel the same way? A mob may be right insomuch as it may
>>>> destroy all opposition, but that does not imply actual truth. Are beautiful women
>>>> who aren't really very intelligent and end up in a circumstance where they are
>>>> compelled to be a "booth babe" really to be hated so deeply? They can hardly
>>>> be one of the primary threats to global peace and human unity.
>>>>
>>>> To me it seems apparent that the real enemy is fear and the actions that we
>>>> commit out of fear - murder, violence, war, and lynching - verbal or physical.
>>>> If we're going to claim some moral superiority then we should be prepared to
>>>> live up to it. "I'm smart and you're dumb, so fuck you!" isn't really a great
>>>> argument.
>>>>
>>>> If I am born smart does that make me virtuous? No.
>>>> If I am born with less intelligence does that ensure my worthlessness? No.
>>>>
>>>> Some people are born beautiful, some aren't. Some are born intelligent, some
>>>> aren't. Some are neither beautiful nor intelligent, and some are beautiful and
>>>> intelligent. What does it matter? These are all rolls of the dice. Can we in good
>>>> conscience hate based on race or gender? I think not. So why based on other
>>>> arbitrary metrics do we consider it okay? Do you really feel like you have
>>>> liberated yourself from the chains of your history? Have you overcome yourself,
>>>> your relationship to your family, your ethnicity, and your intelligence to find
>>>> yourself resting in a place of peace and lucidity so that you may move only with
>>>> conscious volition? It seems the answer to that question is obvious.
>>>>
>>>> If you can't - with all your brains and superiority. Then what chance do these
>>>> people you look down upon have? With genius comes power and with power
>>>> responsibility. You may see these people as icons of things that you find
>>>> repulsive and destructive, but they are just human beings. Tiny, mortal beings
>>>> trapped between a great nothing and an infinity - trying to find a bit of meaning
>>>> and love before they meet an uncertain end.
>>>>
>>>> I hope that we, in this position we find ourselves in - as builders of the future -
>>>> take the time to avoid this mob-like hatred of the things that we fear and instead
>>>> try to see them fully and act as protectors of our brothers and sisters, not
>>>> tyrants who mistake the thoughts that live inside a mind for the actual person.
>>>>
>>>> These people are our brothers and sisters. They may be lost, and it is our job
>>>> to find the truth and bring it to them with the love and support that is required
>>>> of our family. It doesn't matter how many people +1 or pat each other on the
>>>> back. It is wrong to generalize and hate and It always will be. An angry mob
>>>> can destroy a mind or burn a body but they can never move the truth.
>>>>
>>>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the trenches of
>>>> your own mind to find that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Also there's a difference between a woman who is forced to prostitute
>>>>> because she is dependent or in bad situation, someone who just enjoys to
>>>>> do it (no problem with that either- personal choice) VS girls who use
>>>>> their sexuality to curry favour for personal benefits - *especially*
>>>>> when those benefits are bourgeoise.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are some really fucked up relationships that are basically a
>>>>> business arrangement. Many of them even involve kids and marriages. They
>>>>> have no love except a mutual arrangement. When the money dries up, the
>>>>> man loses his wife. When the woman gets old, she is worthless.
>>>>>
>>>>> And imagine the kids raised in those families!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2UPNjRvB8
>>>>>
>>>>> The blonde girl is reduced to tears because what Jane Elliott says, she
>>>>> knows deep down in her heart is true.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/01/14 00:00, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>> What do you mean by superiority? I don't think all cultures are equally
>>>>>> valid. I don't mind putting down crap culture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82WwqXyyWXg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is promoted by mainstream culture. Yet sex itself is a big taboo.
>>>>>> Instead of teaching teenagers about relationships, we push
>>>>>> celebrity/products/consumerism on them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are not promoting healthy attitudes to life in general. The world is
>>>>>> fucked up because adults cannot have normal relationships with each
>>>>>> other. Sex is feared. Women are objects. Men want a pure woman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is common throughout the world. Many men have it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are Saudi princes who maintain whore-houses while raising a family
>>>>>> with other women.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 22:38, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm making no comment on any systems.
>>>>>>> I'm saying you're claiming some sort of intellectual superiority which you are
>>>>>>> neglecting to use towards those you do not feel an immediate cultural connection with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We don't live in a world of victims and oppressors. Everyone is
>>>>>>>> complicit in some way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:39, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to make a statement about the system which forces people
>>>>>>>>> to make compromises and are placed in a situation where they curry
>>>>>>>>> favour not through their actions as people. But is it so passive? Would
>>>>>>>>> you say the same about Sabu who betrayed Hammond? In the end when we
>>>>>>>>> participate in a culture, we grow that culture too and are responsible
>>>>>>>>> for carrying a situation we would prefer not to endure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:30, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone is born a genius. Those people have a place in the world as
>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>> Genius is a gift, compassion is a choice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Elizabeth Ploshay wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> */Elizabeth T. Ploshay/*
>>>>>>>>>>> elizabeth@??? <mailto:elizabeth@bitcoinmagazine.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Manager of Communications
>>>>>>>>>>> Bitcoin Magazine
>>>>>>>>>>> elizabethtploshay.com <http://elizabethtploshay.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Liad Shababo <liad@???
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:liad@shababo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rough day?
>>>>>>>>>>> He got a double full page spread in London's biggest evening
>>>>>>>>>>> paper, which credited him amongst other things, as a genius.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wollit/status/428575608709578753
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 21:24, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You lost me at the dumb whores part.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Value does not stem from living up to any culturally-mandated
>>>>>>>>>>>> expectations.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not culture at large and not yours or mine. Women should be able
>>>>>>>>>>>> to dress
>>>>>>>>>>>> however they like and still demand respect and love. That
>>>>>>>>>>>> includes American,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Muslim, Asian, slutty, skimpy, nude, sexy, frumpy - whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>> These women
>>>>>>>>>>>> are no less women because of the clothing they put on. They're
>>>>>>>>>>>> just like
>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else - tiny people on a big world in an even larger
>>>>>>>>>>>> universe,
>>>>>>>>>>>> unsure of who they are and what they are, responding to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>>>>>> they found themselves in, the mental state they were born into,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mental state of those around them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Men respond to beautiful women. Even women respond to beautiful
>>>>>>>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>>>>>>> A very simple marketing tool is getting beautiful women to stand
>>>>>>>>>>>> next to a
>>>>>>>>>>>> product. Or hand out a product. Or use a product. This is not
>>>>>>>>>>>> exploitative of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the beautiful women or reflective of their value. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> reflective of us as a whole,
>>>>>>>>>>>> human animals - who are driven by impulses that are not
>>>>>>>>>>>> culturally mandated,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but which extend from our being as animals who require
>>>>>>>>>>>> procreation and
>>>>>>>>>>>> survival. This is exploitative of the men who are tricked into
>>>>>>>>>>>> associating this
>>>>>>>>>>>> product with beautiful women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like you're having a rough day Amir. I hope it gets better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wg481/hot_asian_chicks_giving_out_free_bitcoins_in_hong/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is trash and degrading to women. People have endless
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about girls in Bitcoin and then talk like this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And why? Because it's about promoting girls who find their value
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their sexuality + beauty, rather than what they objectively do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of you who don't understand are kissless virgins who will go
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through their life trying to buy the affection of women. Sex is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> love is great... but this attitude of trying to push bitcoin through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sexy women with no brains vs pushing the smart women in our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For all the Bitcoiners who seek legitimacy/image and complain
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pushing drugs, where are the people saying this is wrong. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the highest voted stories on the front page. What did these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> girls do to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get that attention of all the Bitcoiners? And what about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works tirelessly on Bitcoin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have smart capable women in our community, so why are we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> promoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these dumb whores? Who the fuck are they? Plastic girls with big
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tits?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow you're so cool. It reminds me of when the BF choose that young
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plastic pretty spokesgirl to represent them on TV who knew
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin. And those BitPay adverts who use the girl in pretty red
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lipstick to push their product. Why not promote a world based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with relationships established based on mutual understanding, rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than promoting a world where men make money to fuck good looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> young
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitches. 90% of you will never be in that bracket either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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