Aimee Maree [aimee@???] said:

---> "culture is intrinsic to us all and whilst we have forced extrinsic cultural values ..."

Aaah this line started out with real poetic power ...

---> "... they should not be foreshadowed by intrinsic ones."

... but then and here I lost you. What exactly do you mean?


However, on a side note, Toni has only just closed the gender gap as announced earlier this year by the Galippi-clan ;).

They seem to have spotted a Lamborghini-driver-gap yet unnoticed by the Bitcoin community as well and chose to close that too right away. I would call this forward oriented entrepreneur's spirit all the way, no? I'm not sure if we need more of this but I am dead sure we will _see_ more of it.

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> On 31 Jan 2014, at 7:17 am, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???> wrote:
>
> I empathize with all humans as we are all subject to our circumstances,
> which we were born into, and ultimately out of. I am me because of
> forces that existed before me, and the same is true for others.
>
> If you tell a better story, build a better culture, and inspire new generations
> then there is no reason to brandish weapons to destroy the things we
> disagree with.
>
> It is not necessary to destroy old worlds, only build them. There are
> people we must defend against, but they are not those bound by
> cultural shackles, they are those who will take from the many to
> enrich only themselves or a select few - with no remorse.
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>
>>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the
>> trenches of your own mind to find that.
>>
>> point taken. your words are wise.
>>
>> but I feel in your writings, a certain sense of empathy with all of
>> humanity on an equal level. certainly if we want to help people, we need
>> to understand through empathy rather than dictating from a position of
>> power. yet in some ways, while I remain hopeful for the world as a
>> whole, I'm not feeling empathy with everyone nor feeling a pressing urge
>> to rescue wage slaves, your everyday fascist, gold diggers or overgrown
>> frat boys. as a culture, I want it to die.
>>
>>> On 30/01/14 01:50, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>> You didn't attack "culture". You attacked people. You didn't call culture a
>>> whore, you called actual people whores. People you don't know and who
>>> you have generalized about. You are spoken about as a genius and a
>>> visionary. Forgive me if I hold you to a standard you are not prepared to meet.
>>>
>>> If you hate your own nature then feel free to hate it. But we are all human
>>> and subject to the follies that come with that. Our individual circumstances
>>> are rolls of the dice. Calling someone a whore because she does not fit into
>>> the cultural stereotype you wish to prevail seems unnecessary.
>>>
>>> So what if you can get a few people to agree with you or a few women to back
>>> you because they feel the same way? A mob may be right insomuch as it may
>>> destroy all opposition, but that does not imply actual truth. Are beautiful women
>>> who aren't really very intelligent and end up in a circumstance where they are
>>> compelled to be a "booth babe" really to be hated so deeply? They can hardly
>>> be one of the primary threats to global peace and human unity.
>>>
>>> To me it seems apparent that the real enemy is fear and the actions that we
>>> commit out of fear - murder, violence, war, and lynching - verbal or physical.
>>> If we're going to claim some moral superiority then we should be prepared to
>>> live up to it. "I'm smart and you're dumb, so fuck you!" isn't really a great
>>> argument.
>>>
>>> If I am born smart does that make me virtuous? No.
>>> If I am born with less intelligence does that ensure my worthlessness? No.
>>>
>>> Some people are born beautiful, some aren't. Some are born intelligent, some
>>> aren't. Some are neither beautiful nor intelligent, and some are beautiful and
>>> intelligent. What does it matter? These are all rolls of the dice. Can we in good
>>> conscience hate based on race or gender? I think not. So why based on other
>>> arbitrary metrics do we consider it okay? Do you really feel like you have
>>> liberated yourself from the chains of your history? Have you overcome yourself,
>>> your relationship to your family, your ethnicity, and your intelligence to find
>>> yourself resting in a place of peace and lucidity so that you may move only with
>>> conscious volition? It seems the answer to that question is obvious.
>>>
>>> If you can't - with all your brains and superiority. Then what chance do these
>>> people you look down upon have? With genius comes power and with power
>>> responsibility. You may see these people as icons of things that you find
>>> repulsive and destructive, but they are just human beings. Tiny, mortal beings
>>> trapped between a great nothing and an infinity - trying to find a bit of meaning
>>> and love before they meet an uncertain end.
>>>
>>> I hope that we, in this position we find ourselves in - as builders of the future -
>>> take the time to avoid this mob-like hatred of the things that we fear and instead
>>> try to see them fully and act as protectors of our brothers and sisters, not
>>> tyrants who mistake the thoughts that live inside a mind for the actual person.
>>>
>>> These people are our brothers and sisters. They may be lost, and it is our job
>>> to find the truth and bring it to them with the love and support that is required
>>> of our family. It doesn't matter how many people +1 or pat each other on the
>>> back. It is wrong to generalize and hate and It always will be. An angry mob
>>> can destroy a mind or burn a body but they can never move the truth.
>>>
>>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the trenches of
>>> your own mind to find that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also there's a difference between a woman who is forced to prostitute
>>>> because she is dependent or in bad situation, someone who just enjoys to
>>>> do it (no problem with that either- personal choice) VS girls who use
>>>> their sexuality to curry favour for personal benefits - *especially*
>>>> when those benefits are bourgeoise.
>>>>
>>>> There are some really fucked up relationships that are basically a
>>>> business arrangement. Many of them even involve kids and marriages. They
>>>> have no love except a mutual arrangement. When the money dries up, the
>>>> man loses his wife. When the woman gets old, she is worthless.
>>>>
>>>> And imagine the kids raised in those families!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2UPNjRvB8
>>>>
>>>> The blonde girl is reduced to tears because what Jane Elliott says, she
>>>> knows deep down in her heart is true.
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/01/14 00:00, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>> What do you mean by superiority? I don't think all cultures are equally
>>>>> valid. I don't mind putting down crap culture.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82WwqXyyWXg
>>>>>
>>>>> This is promoted by mainstream culture. Yet sex itself is a big taboo.
>>>>> Instead of teaching teenagers about relationships, we push
>>>>> celebrity/products/consumerism on them.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are not promoting healthy attitudes to life in general. The world is
>>>>> fucked up because adults cannot have normal relationships with each
>>>>> other. Sex is feared. Women are objects. Men want a pure woman.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is common throughout the world. Many men have it:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex
>>>>>
>>>>> There are Saudi princes who maintain whore-houses while raising a family
>>>>> with other women.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/01/14 22:38, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>>>> I'm making no comment on any systems.
>>>>>> I'm saying you're claiming some sort of intellectual superiority which you are
>>>>>> neglecting to use towards those you do not feel an immediate cultural connection with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't live in a world of victims and oppressors. Everyone is
>>>>>>> complicit in some way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:39, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are you trying to make a statement about the system which forces people
>>>>>>>> to make compromises and are placed in a situation where they curry
>>>>>>>> favour not through their actions as people. But is it so passive? Would
>>>>>>>> you say the same about Sabu who betrayed Hammond? In the end when we
>>>>>>>> participate in a culture, we grow that culture too and are responsible
>>>>>>>> for carrying a situation we would prefer not to endure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:30, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Not everyone is born a genius. Those people have a place in the world as
>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>> Genius is a gift, compassion is a choice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Elizabeth Ploshay wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> */Elizabeth T. Ploshay/*
>>>>>>>>>> elizabeth@??? <mailto:elizabeth@bitcoinmagazine.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Manager of Communications
>>>>>>>>>> Bitcoin Magazine
>>>>>>>>>> elizabethtploshay.com <http://elizabethtploshay.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Liad Shababo <liad@???
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:liad@shababo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rough day?
>>>>>>>>>> He got a double full page spread in London's biggest evening
>>>>>>>>>> paper, which credited him amongst other things, as a genius.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wollit/status/428575608709578753
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 21:24, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You lost me at the dumb whores part.
>>>>>>>>>>> Value does not stem from living up to any culturally-mandated
>>>>>>>>>>> expectations.
>>>>>>>>>>> Not culture at large and not yours or mine. Women should be able
>>>>>>>>>>> to dress
>>>>>>>>>>> however they like and still demand respect and love. That
>>>>>>>>>>> includes American,
>>>>>>>>>>> Muslim, Asian, slutty, skimpy, nude, sexy, frumpy - whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>> These women
>>>>>>>>>>> are no less women because of the clothing they put on. They're
>>>>>>>>>>> just like
>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else - tiny people on a big world in an even larger
>>>>>>>>>>> universe,
>>>>>>>>>>> unsure of who they are and what they are, responding to the
>>>>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>>>>> they found themselves in, the mental state they were born into,
>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>> mental state of those around them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Men respond to beautiful women. Even women respond to beautiful
>>>>>>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>>>>>> A very simple marketing tool is getting beautiful women to stand
>>>>>>>>>>> next to a
>>>>>>>>>>> product. Or hand out a product. Or use a product. This is not
>>>>>>>>>>> exploitative of
>>>>>>>>>>> the beautiful women or reflective of their value. It is
>>>>>>>>>>> reflective of us as a whole,
>>>>>>>>>>> human animals - who are driven by impulses that are not
>>>>>>>>>>> culturally mandated,
>>>>>>>>>>> but which extend from our being as animals who require
>>>>>>>>>>> procreation and
>>>>>>>>>>> survival. This is exploitative of the men who are tricked into
>>>>>>>>>>> associating this
>>>>>>>>>>> product with beautiful women.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like you're having a rough day Amir. I hope it gets better.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wg481/hot_asian_chicks_giving_out_free_bitcoins_in_hong/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is trash and degrading to women. People have endless
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>> about girls in Bitcoin and then talk like this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And why? Because it's about promoting girls who find their value
>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>> their sexuality + beauty, rather than what they objectively do
>>>>>>>>>>>> as people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of you who don't understand are kissless virgins who will go
>>>>>>>>>>>> through their life trying to buy the affection of women. Sex is
>>>>>>>>>>>> good,
>>>>>>>>>>>> love is great... but this attitude of trying to push bitcoin through
>>>>>>>>>>>> sexy women with no brains vs pushing the smart women in our
>>>>>>>>>>>> community is
>>>>>>>>>>>> trash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For all the Bitcoiners who seek legitimacy/image and complain
>>>>>>>>>>>> about me
>>>>>>>>>>>> pushing drugs, where are the people saying this is wrong. This
>>>>>>>>>>>> is one of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the highest voted stories on the front page. What did these
>>>>>>>>>>>> girls do to
>>>>>>>>>>>> get that attention of all the Bitcoiners? And what about
>>>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth who
>>>>>>>>>>>> works tirelessly on Bitcoin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We have smart capable women in our community, so why are we
>>>>>>>>>>>> promoting
>>>>>>>>>>>> these dumb whores? Who the fuck are they? Plastic girls with big
>>>>>>>>>>>> tits?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow you're so cool. It reminds me of when the BF choose that young
>>>>>>>>>>>> plastic pretty spokesgirl to represent them on TV who knew
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing about
>>>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin. And those BitPay adverts who use the girl in pretty red
>>>>>>>>>>>> lipstick to push their product. Why not promote a world based on
>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>> with relationships established based on mutual understanding, rather
>>>>>>>>>>>> than promoting a world where men make money to fuck good looking
>>>>>>>>>>>> young
>>>>>>>>>>>> bitches. 90% of you will never be in that bracket either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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