Autore: Aimee Maree Data: To: System undo crew CC: unsystem@lists.dyne.org Oggetto: Re: [unSYSTEM] Where are all the women in Bitcoin? Here they are!
Well said...
On 30 Jan 2014, at 11:23 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the
> trenches of your own mind to find that.
>
> point taken. your words are wise.
>
> but I feel in your writings, a certain sense of empathy with all of
> humanity on an equal level. certainly if we want to help people, we need
> to understand through empathy rather than dictating from a position of
> power. yet in some ways, while I remain hopeful for the world as a
> whole, I'm not feeling empathy with everyone nor feeling a pressing urge
> to rescue wage slaves, your everyday fascist, gold diggers or overgrown
> frat boys. as a culture, I want it to die.
>
>> On 30/01/14 01:50, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>> You didn't attack "culture". You attacked people. You didn't call culture a
>> whore, you called actual people whores. People you don't know and who
>> you have generalized about. You are spoken about as a genius and a
>> visionary. Forgive me if I hold you to a standard you are not prepared to meet.
>>
>> If you hate your own nature then feel free to hate it. But we are all human
>> and subject to the follies that come with that. Our individual circumstances
>> are rolls of the dice. Calling someone a whore because she does not fit into
>> the cultural stereotype you wish to prevail seems unnecessary.
>>
>> So what if you can get a few people to agree with you or a few women to back
>> you because they feel the same way? A mob may be right insomuch as it may
>> destroy all opposition, but that does not imply actual truth. Are beautiful women
>> who aren't really very intelligent and end up in a circumstance where they are
>> compelled to be a "booth babe" really to be hated so deeply? They can hardly
>> be one of the primary threats to global peace and human unity.
>>
>> To me it seems apparent that the real enemy is fear and the actions that we
>> commit out of fear - murder, violence, war, and lynching - verbal or physical.
>> If we're going to claim some moral superiority then we should be prepared to
>> live up to it. "I'm smart and you're dumb, so fuck you!" isn't really a great
>> argument.
>>
>> If I am born smart does that make me virtuous? No.
>> If I am born with less intelligence does that ensure my worthlessness? No.
>>
>> Some people are born beautiful, some aren't. Some are born intelligent, some
>> aren't. Some are neither beautiful nor intelligent, and some are beautiful and
>> intelligent. What does it matter? These are all rolls of the dice. Can we in good
>> conscience hate based on race or gender? I think not. So why based on other
>> arbitrary metrics do we consider it okay? Do you really feel like you have
>> liberated yourself from the chains of your history? Have you overcome yourself,
>> your relationship to your family, your ethnicity, and your intelligence to find
>> yourself resting in a place of peace and lucidity so that you may move only with
>> conscious volition? It seems the answer to that question is obvious.
>>
>> If you can't - with all your brains and superiority. Then what chance do these
>> people you look down upon have? With genius comes power and with power
>> responsibility. You may see these people as icons of things that you find
>> repulsive and destructive, but they are just human beings. Tiny, mortal beings
>> trapped between a great nothing and an infinity - trying to find a bit of meaning
>> and love before they meet an uncertain end.
>>
>> I hope that we, in this position we find ourselves in - as builders of the future -
>> take the time to avoid this mob-like hatred of the things that we fear and instead
>> try to see them fully and act as protectors of our brothers and sisters, not
>> tyrants who mistake the thoughts that live inside a mind for the actual person.
>>
>> These people are our brothers and sisters. They may be lost, and it is our job
>> to find the truth and bring it to them with the love and support that is required
>> of our family. It doesn't matter how many people +1 or pat each other on the
>> back. It is wrong to generalize and hate and It always will be. An angry mob
>> can destroy a mind or burn a body but they can never move the truth.
>>
>> These people are not your oppressor. You need to look only in the trenches of
>> your own mind to find that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>
>>> Also there's a difference between a woman who is forced to prostitute
>>> because she is dependent or in bad situation, someone who just enjoys to
>>> do it (no problem with that either- personal choice) VS girls who use
>>> their sexuality to curry favour for personal benefits - *especially*
>>> when those benefits are bourgeoise.
>>>
>>> There are some really fucked up relationships that are basically a
>>> business arrangement. Many of them even involve kids and marriages. They
>>> have no love except a mutual arrangement. When the money dries up, the
>>> man loses his wife. When the woman gets old, she is worthless.
>>>
>>> And imagine the kids raised in those families!
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2UPNjRvB8 >>>
>>> The blonde girl is reduced to tears because what Jane Elliott says, she
>>> knows deep down in her heart is true.
>>>
>>>> On 30/01/14 00:00, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>> What do you mean by superiority? I don't think all cultures are equally
>>>> valid. I don't mind putting down crap culture.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82WwqXyyWXg >>>>
>>>> This is promoted by mainstream culture. Yet sex itself is a big taboo.
>>>> Instead of teaching teenagers about relationships, we push
>>>> celebrity/products/consumerism on them.
>>>>
>>>> We are not promoting healthy attitudes to life in general. The world is
>>>> fucked up because adults cannot have normal relationships with each
>>>> other. Sex is feared. Women are objects. Men want a pure woman.
>>>>
>>>> This is common throughout the world. Many men have it:
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex >>>>
>>>> There are Saudi princes who maintain whore-houses while raising a family
>>>> with other women.
>>>>
>>>>> On 29/01/14 22:38, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>>> I'm making no comment on any systems.
>>>>> I'm saying you're claiming some sort of intellectual superiority which you are
>>>>> neglecting to use towards those you do not feel an immediate cultural connection with.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We don't live in a world of victims and oppressors. Everyone is
>>>>>> complicit in some way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:39, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>> Are you trying to make a statement about the system which forces people
>>>>>>> to make compromises and are placed in a situation where they curry
>>>>>>> favour not through their actions as people. But is it so passive? Would
>>>>>>> you say the same about Sabu who betrayed Hammond? In the end when we
>>>>>>> participate in a culture, we grow that culture too and are responsible
>>>>>>> for carrying a situation we would prefer not to endure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29/01/14 21:30, Anthony D'Onofrio wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not everyone is born a genius. Those people have a place in the world as
>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>> Genius is a gift, compassion is a choice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Elizabeth Ploshay wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> */Elizabeth T. Ploshay/*
>>>>>>>>> elizabeth@??? <mailto:elizabeth@bitcoinmagazine.com>
>>>>>>>>> Manager of Communications
>>>>>>>>> Bitcoin Magazine
>>>>>>>>> elizabethtploshay.com <http://elizabethtploshay.com/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Liad Shababo <liad@???
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:liad@shababo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rough day?
>>>>>>>>> He got a double full page spread in London's biggest evening
>>>>>>>>> paper, which credited him amongst other things, as a genius.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wollit/status/428575608709578753 >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 21:24, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You lost me at the dumb whores part.
>>>>>>>>>> Value does not stem from living up to any culturally-mandated
>>>>>>>>>> expectations.
>>>>>>>>>> Not culture at large and not yours or mine. Women should be able
>>>>>>>>>> to dress
>>>>>>>>>> however they like and still demand respect and love. That
>>>>>>>>>> includes American,
>>>>>>>>>> Muslim, Asian, slutty, skimpy, nude, sexy, frumpy - whatever.
>>>>>>>>>> These women
>>>>>>>>>> are no less women because of the clothing they put on. They're
>>>>>>>>>> just like
>>>>>>>>>> everyone else - tiny people on a big world in an even larger
>>>>>>>>>> universe,
>>>>>>>>>> unsure of who they are and what they are, responding to the
>>>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>>>> they found themselves in, the mental state they were born into,
>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>> mental state of those around them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Men respond to beautiful women. Even women respond to beautiful
>>>>>>>>>> women.
>>>>>>>>>> A very simple marketing tool is getting beautiful women to stand
>>>>>>>>>> next to a
>>>>>>>>>> product. Or hand out a product. Or use a product. This is not
>>>>>>>>>> exploitative of
>>>>>>>>>> the beautiful women or reflective of their value. It is
>>>>>>>>>> reflective of us as a whole,
>>>>>>>>>> human animals - who are driven by impulses that are not
>>>>>>>>>> culturally mandated,
>>>>>>>>>> but which extend from our being as animals who require
>>>>>>>>>> procreation and
>>>>>>>>>> survival. This is exploitative of the men who are tricked into
>>>>>>>>>> associating this
>>>>>>>>>> product with beautiful women.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like you're having a rough day Amir. I hope it gets better.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wg481/hot_asian_chicks_giving_out_free_bitcoins_in_hong/ >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is trash and degrading to women. People have endless
>>>>>>>>>>> discussions
>>>>>>>>>>> about girls in Bitcoin and then talk like this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And why? Because it's about promoting girls who find their value
>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>> their sexuality + beauty, rather than what they objectively do
>>>>>>>>>>> as people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most of you who don't understand are kissless virgins who will go
>>>>>>>>>>> through their life trying to buy the affection of women. Sex is
>>>>>>>>>>> good,
>>>>>>>>>>> love is great... but this attitude of trying to push bitcoin through
>>>>>>>>>>> sexy women with no brains vs pushing the smart women in our
>>>>>>>>>>> community is
>>>>>>>>>>> trash.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For all the Bitcoiners who seek legitimacy/image and complain
>>>>>>>>>>> about me
>>>>>>>>>>> pushing drugs, where are the people saying this is wrong. This
>>>>>>>>>>> is one of
>>>>>>>>>>> the highest voted stories on the front page. What did these
>>>>>>>>>>> girls do to
>>>>>>>>>>> get that attention of all the Bitcoiners? And what about
>>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth who
>>>>>>>>>>> works tirelessly on Bitcoin.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We have smart capable women in our community, so why are we
>>>>>>>>>>> promoting
>>>>>>>>>>> these dumb whores? Who the fuck are they? Plastic girls with big
>>>>>>>>>>> tits?
>>>>>>>>>>> Wow you're so cool. It reminds me of when the BF choose that young
>>>>>>>>>>> plastic pretty spokesgirl to represent them on TV who knew
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing about
>>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin. And those BitPay adverts who use the girl in pretty red
>>>>>>>>>>> lipstick to push their product. Why not promote a world based on
>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>> with relationships established based on mutual understanding, rather
>>>>>>>>>>> than promoting a world where men make money to fuck good looking
>>>>>>>>>>> young
>>>>>>>>>>> bitches. 90% of you will never be in that bracket either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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