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Auteur: Thomas Hartman
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Aan: System undo crew
Onderwerp: Re: [unSYSTEM] Net Neutrality Ruling, Internet Interprets Censorship as Damage, There are no Captains, Decentralize Everything, etc.
Decentralization thrives in an environment of trust.

Would you give someone a non-root shell account on a machine you own?

Would you loan power tools out on a handshake?

The answer to these types of questions is often no, and that's why we
go to amazon or the home depot.

Community, which is another word for trust, is expensive. Especially
in time. It's a lot cheaper to go to walmart, not just in money but in
time.

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2010/01/costs-of-community.html

Think about how to increase trust among your friends and neighbors.
The technology will shake out eventually, but it will be a long long
road.

Budget carefully, and don't go bankrupt.


On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Odinn Cyberguerrilla
<odinn.cyberguerrilla@???> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As you are probably aware, there has been a net neutrality ruling from US
> courts and it essentially kills net neutrality.
>
> Reference (this is just one of many news outlets announcing this)
> http://gigaom.com/2014/01/14/breaking-court-strikes-down-fccs-net-neutrality-rules/?go_commented=1#comment-1388649
>
> This is surely no new concept to anyone on this list (the concept that we
> can't rely upon laws, need to use technical solutions to bypass what
> passes for government/corporation-state, etc.) but I have to say this net
> neutrality calls into stark contrast what we are doing with what we could
> be doing. And by we, I mean anyone using the internet.
>
> Many people use AT&T, or Verizon. Many people use Google and Facebook. Or
> Weibo. Or VK. Or... you get the picture. But rather than harp about any
> one company (or licensing approach, or ruling, etc) I want to emphasize
> decentralized systems beyond what many are accustomed to hearing about /
> using.
>
> When people hear "open source" or "p2p" they might think of Ubuntu, or
> Android (regarding open source OSs) or Bittorrent, or Piratebay (in terms
> of things that come to mind if an ordinary human is asked what do they
> thing of as an example of P2P or F2F tech). Given the news about Bitcoin
> it's a sure bet at least some people if asked on the street might also say
> 'Bitcoin' (or alternately, "what's P2P?" or "Software!") So you'll get a
> lot of responses and responses will vary substantially, but this is my
> sense based on talking to people I know around my (rather small) town.
>
> But how often do you hear people talking about what is needed to literally
> Decentralize Everything?
>
> Well, except for posts occasionally on lists like these, or meetings /
> discussions with like-minded people, or hackerspaces, or development
> discussions, the answer is Almost Never.
>
> Anyway, this recent ruling announcement re. net neutrality (or its death)
> here in the USA is just one more example of how we cannot rely upon laws,
> at least in my view. But it also made me think some more about this and
> realize that if we want decentralized protocols / solutions to spread at
> all, we have to do a way better job at being good advocates for them and
> talking about them incessantly to everyone in a way that is easy, simple,
> and makes sense to people.
>
> As this post already exhibits I can be very wordy and windbaggish.
> Further evidence of that fact is presented amply in my recent post here:
> https://odinn.cyberguerrilla.org/index.php/2014/01/02/opensourcebuildguide/
>
> As I reflect on this I think about the following.
>
> 1) I need to make something shorter that easily introduces people to open
> source stuff. Something that's even simpler than prism-break
> (http://prism-break.org/) - an option which is so simple that anyone (at
> least in primary school levels) can understand it and act on things
> presented in it within less than a minute. Look. Software. Click (one
> click, two max!) to get it. Done.
>
> 2) What are some ways to Decentralize Everything? To the DNS and beyond?
> Stuff that comes to mind (remember, there is no one thing, there are no
> captains, there is no one solution, these are just examples of possible
> partial solutions being thrown out here):
>    2)a. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/
>    2)b. https://github.com/namecoin
>    2)c. https://nameid.org/
>    2)d. concepts like this
> http://torrentfreak.com/how-the-pirate-bay-plans-to-beat-censorship-for-good-140105/
>    2)e. Convergence for namecoin
> https://github.com/JeremyRand/Convergence/tree/namecoin
>    2)f. Convergence (a different one) https://github.com/moxie0/Convergence
>    2)g. Tack.io - for pinning (it's my understading that moxie0 prefers
> this direction, but I haven't been tracking it closely enough to say
> what is going on with it right now)  -->  http://tack.io/
>      2)g.1. See also the Tack internet draft(!) at http://tack.io/draft.html
>      2)g.2. See also reference TACK implementations https://github.com/tack

>
> So...
>
> As I read through this, and similar stuff, I think to myself, something
> about this needs to be broadcast in a way that it is so easy to do, so
> simple to accept, that it meets the "everybody sees it (or it's in the
> news) and they click and download it"
>
> I know it's never really that simple. But I am throwing this out there
> because even more censorship is coming. And there are no captains, and we
> do need to decentralize everything. We must get A Lot more people on board
> with decentralization, open source, and as close to p2p as possible, we
> need to make it so easy to defeat censorship of anything that those who
> propose allowing it to happen will just throw up their hands in
> frustration. So the question (one of many!) is how to present this in a
> way that makes sense to a lot of people.
>
> A lot more than currently.
>
> OK I am done for now.
>
> [note: this message has been also posted to cypherpunks list.]
>
> your thoughts please
>
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