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Συντάκτης: Adam B. Levine
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"I have lost my desire for freedom.
I feel like the whole question of freedom is based on the premise
that the oppressor is here to stay and we need freedom from him."

What you're looking for I think, is autonomy. The right to determine the
course and appropriate actions of your life without having to vet them with
a distant third party based on arbitrarily enforced laws accumulated over
hundreds of years, many of which prevent to sort of competitive innovation
that is necessary to live in a properly functioning society.

"I don't think we're "the last free generation" or even that a "free
society" has ever existed. But maybe a first generation with numerous
free spirits is about to be born; not in spite, but BECAUSE of the
tyranny."

For the last three or four years, I've been raising birds.   We're on
generation four of Muscovy Ducks, and while the first three years I had
personal relationships with all of the birds we had a population explosion
year four and found ourselves with nearly 100 ducks.     What has been
interesting to note is that there are now literally dozens of each of the
ducks that I got to know over the last three years, with similar markings
behaviors and mannerisms - just mixed around and a bit dumber.


If you look at people long enough, you'll notice there are only so many
human phenotypes.  Interbreeding over generations means the whole thing is
really mixed up, but at its core the human mold, including the broad
ethnic/racial templates are only 300 or 400 distinct people.      People
are maybe not 100%, but I would argue more than 50% the product of their
environments.  Work at its core is about fulfilling needs, and those needs
are a direct product of our environment, I certainly wouldn't be working on
new finance solutions if it wasn't so abundantly clear why they are needed.


Adam B. Levine
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On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:21 AM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???>wrote:

> I have lost my desire for freedom.
> I feel like the whole question of freedom is based on the premise
> that the oppressor is here to stay and we need freedom from him.
>
> Nobody ever considers being "free" from their grandmother, or freedom
> from their circle of friends or from their own community. I think the
> very idea of freedom from "the government" is poisoned by a history of
> oppression and we have reached such a point that oppression seems normal
> and we can't even any longer imagine a government which is trustworthy
> so we think it is the norm and we can only hope to dis-empower "the
> powers that be". This desire for subversion and disempowerment is indeed
> troubling because it is necessarily rooted in a passive-agressive desire
> to resist what is seen as inevitable.
>
> bullshit
>
> I want to live in a society that doesn't care about freedom because
> the it has never seen the horrors of oppression. I want to live in
> a society founded on trust and personal relationships and where nobody
> wants to dis-empower anybody else. We are the creators, we are the
> intellectual elite of our time, we have the power to design the future as
> we see fit and only by the acceptance of the world of today do we make
> ourselves unable to build the world of tomorrow.
>
>
>
> On 01/03/2014 06:40 AM, Ruben Brito wrote:
> > I'm just concerned about the best survival moves to make. Yes you can
> keep constructing tools for folks to retain free speech and monetary
> freedom, but where are the most ideal places to live? If you aren't in a
> community that values freedom, then the efforts towards maintaining freedom
> are always fragmented and diluted due to taxes fueling the same officials
> that suppress freedom.
> >
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> > Freelance Writer for Bitcoin Magazine <
> http://bitcoinmagazine.com/author/ruben/>
> > Portfolio <http://www.behance.net/urbenz>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Aimee Maree <aimee@???<mailto:
> aimee@???>> wrote:
> >
> >     It makes it easy to fight a war when your enemy does not realise
> they are in a battle zone.... Last year a larger number woke up to the
> realisation that there is a war going on right now and we are in a battle...

> >
> >     This year will see more... The war is being waged for your mind...
> Social media makes a great ground for tracking people's thoughts and ideas
> to ensure they follow the path you want them to... Ambient findabilty...

> >
> >     This year we all face the future aware that we are in the midst of a
> battle there will be casualties but the cause has never been more
> important...

> >
> >     Modern day war fare ... Remember modern day marketing was born from
> war propaganda machines... See the system for what it is and where you can
> wake others up to it... And create change by finding a way to utilise
> whatever your talents in the fight for our minds...

> >
> >
> >     > On 3 Jan 2014, at 3:45 am, Amir Taaki <genjix@??? <mailto:
> genjix@???>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > thus 2014, the year of the million autists uprising, the year of
> the
> >     > largest reddit circlejerk in human history, the year rascist
> shitposting
> >     > on 4chan crippled the internet, the year of linux on the desktops
> when
> >     > everyone stopped using them. and the second coming of the cyber
> warriors
> >     > when we donned our tinfoil anti-nsa armour, tipped our fedoras and
> >     > challenged the agents to a battle of our wits.

> >     >
> >     > we anunmus
> >     > no forgiv
> >     > no forget
> >     > expect us

> >     >
> >     > divided by 0, united as 1

> >     >
> >     >> On 02/01/14 16:33, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
> >     >> I went to the 30th annual Chaos Communications Congress.

> >     >>
> >     >> I had known about the Congress since I was a young teen but
> because of the rules
> >     >> surrounding photography, without being there you just don't know
> what really goes
> >     >> on.

> >     >>
> >     >> Although I cannot ever say whether this Congress was special,
> something about it
> >     >> felt historic.

> >     >>
> >     >> It was at a time when the people were beginning to wake up. When
> the abuses of
> >     >> the NSA, and more generally the Five Eyes Alliance, went from the
> wild ramblings
> >     >> of conspiracy theorists to words printed in the daily newspaper.

> >     >>
> >     >> I was there when Julian Assange spoke by video link of the
> obligations of
> >     >> the system administrators who watch over these machines of
> oppression.

> >     >>
> >     >> When I heard him begin to speak, whatever I had been doing before
> lost it's
> >     >> importance. Before even knowing who it was that was talking, I
> was drawn in by
> >     >> the power and compassion in his words. As I found myself crowding
> in around the
> >     >> laptop which streamed the speech to the now-silent room and it
> was then that I
> >     >> knew what it must have felt like when, not 80 years ago, people
> stood silently
> >     >> around their radio sets, realizing that the war had begun.

> >     >>
> >     >> I was there when Jacob Appelbaum presented newly published leaks
> which showed the
> >     >> Five Eyes to be even more dark and ambitious than I could have
> believed.

> >     >>
> >     >> I had imagined the them as a group of passive data collectors.
> Tapping wires,
> >     >> collecting phone calls and reading email. I had a romantic image
> of them
> >     >> stopping once we just began to encrypt all data. Somehow I had
> convinced myself
> >     >> that they would simply recognize that the insecurity was gone and
> their job was
> >     >> over.

> >     >>
> >     >> This weekend I was forced to face the reality that it was never
> about the
> >     >> information, it's about the control. The compromise and virus
> development, the use
> >     >> of third party computers to attack victim networks, the derailing
> of efforts to
> >     >> build secure systems and even the intentional planting of security
> >     >> vulnerabilities. Taken together it added up to one thing, a
> deliberate campaign
> >     >> of Invasion and Occupation, all so that their flag, whatever it
> may be, would
> >     >> secretly fly inside of every electronic device in the world.

> >     >>
> >     >> As these revelations began to hit home, I was struck by the
> historical
> >     >> significance of the time and place I was in. Here I was, standing
> on ground
> >     >> which had only one lifetime ago been The Third Riche, and as the
> people were just
> >     >> becoming aware of the new war, it had arguably become the
> intellectual capital of
> >     >> The Free World.

> >     >>
> >     >> I was there when the terrible news broke of the bombings in
> Russia. As the country
> >     >> which had bravely chosen to protect Edward Snowden was made
> powerless to protect
> >     >> even it's own citizens and as the British and American media were
> given some
> >     >> distraction from the breaking news about their own intelligence
> agencies, my
> >     >> conspiratorial mind could not help but see why so many
> governments were afraid of
> >     >> letting Snowden in.

> >     >>
> >     >> This weekend I was dragged back to a world which I thought I had
> left. In my late
> >     >> teens, I had taken it upon myself to investigate every conspiracy
> theory, every
> >     >> crazy alien story and every piece of disinformation which sat
> about the Internet.
> >     >> As a bright eyed ambitious kid with an insatiable appetite for
> knowledge, I was
> >     >> cautioned by a wise history teacher. He said I should beware of
> knowing everything,
> >     >> for to know how the world works would make me cynical like he was.

> >     >>
> >     >> Sometimes in a dark place, I envy the naive innocence of the
> people I see in
> >     >> passing. Their life defined through their job, their car, their
> clothes, their
> >     >> phone, the TV and their husband or wife. But if ever there was a
> blue pill which
> >     >> would make the truth go away, so that I could be like them again,
> would I take it?
> >     >> For better or worse, the answer has always been no.

> >     >>
> >     >> I was there, behind the veil of the photography ban, I saw the
> swimming pool filled
> >     >> with styrofoam peanuts with people jumping in and playing around.
> I saw the tubes
> >     >> which snaked all over the building, where people could send
> messages with compressed
> >     >> air from vacuum cleaners. I saw the projects done by the various
> hacker groups, I saw
> >     >> the quad-copters, the 3d printers, the lights, the music, the
> artwork and the play.
> >     >> I visited the coffee nerds table, brewed my own Saturday morning
> coffee and learned
> >     >> about a different type of coffee press. Everywhere I went there
> was an ora of love,
> >     >> trust and commonality and even though we all knew the stakes were
> high, it felt as
> >     >> though we were on the right side of history. It felt as though we
> had the power to
> >     >> create the society we wanted to live in, the power to reach into
> the heart of what
> >     >> is seemingly such a hopeless situation and just change it, by
> doing nothing other
> >     >> than that for which we were born.

> >     >>

> >     >>
> >     >> tl;dr I went to a meeting and it seemed important

> >     >>

> >     >>

> >     >>
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