Yes we need many other ways to fight back.

Jacob Appelbaum @ NSA Hearing European Parliament 5 Sept 2013:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu6accTBjfs&feature=youtu.be&t=2h23m1s



Am 01.01.2014 um 19:54 schrieb Stanislas Marion <stanislas.marion@???>:

> Manfred I completely agree with your viewpoint. Code is not going to be enough to win. We need to infiltrate the NSA and other powerful organizations to spread our ideas the same way they infiltrate our technology to control it. That's going to be unfathomably harder for us though.
>
>
> 2014/1/1 Wendell <w@???>
> Thomas,
>
> Your sexuality point is quite insightful and I think you're right. However, I'm sure you'll be the first to admit that it is by no means the only lever of control, nor the only "secret" one may wish to protect.
>
> Still, perhaps a kind of person-to-person openness and transparency _is_ the only thing that will diffuse this. In that sense they may, oddly enough, be forcing our hand for the better. Mark Zuckerberg looks more like a great prophet than a tyrannical despot in such a scenario...
>
> Coming back to where we are right now though, I think your point as highlighted below is the real truth of it, and underlines my point about the hydra that has apparently been created.
>
> -wendell
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> hivewallet.com | twitter.com/hivewallet | pgp: B7179FA88C498718
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> On Jan 1, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Thomas Hartman wrote:
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> > Not only is there the NSA, there is whoever is spying on the NSA.
> >
> > Even if the NSA dissolves, whoever that is will persist. Concretely, I guess that means the army of contractors / outsourcers that currently run a lot of the infrastructure for… well, everything, government and not.
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