but dude the police are nice in my country. at least they don't need to
carry guns. why can't people behave? if nobody broke the laws then we
wouldn't need the police.

we have experts in charge. they know best. do you want some smelly hippy
running your corporation? no, you want the best most-expensive
professional in charge. our rulers have degrees and qualifications from
the state. they have legitimacy. what do you know? could you run a
country? it's difficult work. obama's a great guy. he's just in a
difficult position. cut him some slack yo. he probably wants to legalise
marijuana and close guantanamo (in secret). it's not him who's
assassinating dear americans or ruining young kids lives. just because
they're his friends, doesn't mean he's a bad person.

and donald rumsfeld is a good guy at heart. he had to be friends with
saddam eventhough he knew he was gassing his own people. it was his job
and we can't judge him for kissing a dictator (who was our friend). and
then later he wanted to spread american freedum and democracy, but
because the people wouldn't follow, he told some lies about saddam being
a monster gassing his own people. look, he's just a good guy. trust me
on this. they're not so bad people, just a bit misguided. even hitler
wasn't that bad - he liked kids and was a vegetarian. he was just a
little misguided (bad judgement).

On 01/01/14 16:37, Thomas Hartman wrote:
> The object isn't really to control people, it's to get people to control themselves.
>
> Making stuff people will only piss people off.
>
> Telling the truth is scarier, because it invokes shame, which is internal.
>
> Cooties I tell you.
>
> We're all five years and it's a big, scary world.
>
> On Jan 1, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Luke-Jr wrote:
>
>> Meh, they have nothing to blackmail me with at least. That being said, what
>> stops them from making stuff up? Nothing...
>>
>> Luke
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 01, 2014 2:59:14 PM Thomas Hartman wrote:
>>> Not only is there the NSA, there is whoever is spying on the NSA.
>>>
>>> Even if the NSA dissolves, whoever that is will persist. Concretely, I
>>> guess that means the army of contractors / outsourcers that currently run
>>> a lot of the infrastructure for… well, everything, government and not.
>>>
>>> Yes, blackmail is on the table. I think that makes people squeamish. You're
>>> thinking about encryption keys and hardware security, and suddenly it
>>> turns sexual and what could you survive being public information that
>>> everyone knows about you, or if you're a woman naked pictures of you
>>> splashed everywhere, or so on.
>>>
>>> That's what it means to be a high profile government or private person in
>>> 2013. The persistent knowledge that at any time, everything about your sex
>>> life and thoughts (google cache) could become public. If you step out of
>>> line, BAM.
>>>
>>> I think it's interesting that as a society, as a result of ubiquitous porn
>>> and maybe other things, we have actually become a lot less sexually
>>> squeamish in the last twenty years.
>>>
>>> On the one hand, there's a lot more blackmail material out there but on the
>>> other hand… can this really be used to maintain control? Is the threat
>>> really effective?
>>>
>>> It seems to me sort of like the opposite of the nuclear threat. The more
>>> you use it, the less effective it gets.
>>>
>>> Of course that's not the only blackmail vector, but it's a big one.
>>>
>>> So anyway, I'll say it.
>>>
>>> Part of de-clawing the NSA (and the even murkier powers that are being it)
>>> is continuing to evolve the global societal narrative about sex.
>>>
>>> In polite society, it's industrial espionage this and network analysis
>>> that, but when you strip all that away and look at it in the raw it's just
>>> on the level of how do the kindergarten bullies control people. Cooties,
>>> is how.
>>>
>>> Cooties is not an unassailable weapon.
>>>
>>> That is why I am not ultimately afraid of the NSA.
>>>
>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 3:24 AM, Wendell wrote:
>>>> I think the answer, as seemingly always, is to strive for openness and
>>>> decentralization in everything we do, minimizing the risk of systemic
>>>> failure by a kind of biomimicry.
>>>>
>>>> That said, if we really have to rebuild everything from the integrated
>>>> circuit on up, it's going to be a long, hard slog indeed. I'm afraid
>>>> that advanced at-home fabrication won't save us in time.
>>>>
>>>> -wendell
>>>>
>>>> hivewallet.com | twitter.com/hivewallet | pgp: B7179FA88C498718
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 5:28 AM, Manfred Karrer wrote:
>>>>> I agree with all your points. To put energy to fight NSA via
>>>>> governmental control is a lost fight from the start. Fight in the
>>>>> technological level seems unfortunately also hopeless. What else could
>>>>> we do?
>>>>
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