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Auteur: Amir Taaki
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Sujet: Re: [unSYSTEM] When will the NSA be seen as a non-governmental agency?
Or picking and choosing out of context to twist things.

Am I guilty for seeing copyrighted videos on YouTube or the pictures on
4chan imageboard, posted by other people? Are you guilty for posting a
response to a death threat, or encouraging hate speech? How about for
drawing a crude picture of a child or photoshopping a young celebrity?
Are you damned for discussing medical benefits of a green plant or
excessively watching people take them on YouTube (out of curiousity)?
Maybe you encouraged criminality and gave explicit instructions on how
to circumvent the law as disobedience against a totalitarian government,
not the Chinese, not Iran, not Cuba, North Korea, Kenya, Turkey, but the
UK. Maybe you smeared a celebrity or top economist. Maybe you published
instructions on disabling an internet filter. Maybe you wrote the tools
so people can join their transactions for anonymity and other reasons.
Actually, perhaps you simply professed guilt to a crime you never
committed, you troll. You were very convincing.

Rot in jail you scum. Nobody should ever break laws. There is legal and
illegal in a just and fair democratic court of law. Follow the law of
the land, AND be a moral upstanding citizen. Snowden betrayed his
country by breaking the law and deserves jail. What we say is true. You
live in a democracy. Everyone has a say. The corporations are people
too. Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others. Duh!

Father knows best!

On 01/01/14 15:02, Luke-Jr wrote:
> Meh, they have nothing to blackmail me with at least. That being said, what
> stops them from making stuff up? Nothing...
>
> Luke
>
> On Wednesday, January 01, 2014 2:59:14 PM Thomas Hartman wrote:
>> Not only is there the NSA, there is whoever is spying on the NSA.
>>
>> Even if the NSA dissolves, whoever that is will persist. Concretely, I
>> guess that means the army of contractors / outsourcers that currently run
>> a lot of the infrastructure for… well, everything, government and not.
>>
>> Yes, blackmail is on the table. I think that makes people squeamish. You're
>> thinking about encryption keys and hardware security, and suddenly it
>> turns sexual and what could you survive being public information that
>> everyone knows about you, or if you're a woman naked pictures of you
>> splashed everywhere, or so on.
>>
>> That's what it means to be a high profile government or private person in
>> 2013. The persistent knowledge that at any time, everything about your sex
>> life and thoughts (google cache) could become public. If you step out of
>> line, BAM.
>>
>> I think it's interesting that as a society, as a result of ubiquitous porn
>> and maybe other things, we have actually become a lot less sexually
>> squeamish in the last twenty years.
>>
>> On the one hand, there's a lot more blackmail material out there but on the
>> other hand… can this really be used to maintain control? Is the threat
>> really effective?
>>
>> It seems to me sort of like the opposite of the nuclear threat. The more
>> you use it, the less effective it gets.
>>
>> Of course that's not the only blackmail vector, but it's a big one.
>>
>> So anyway, I'll say it.
>>
>> Part of de-clawing the NSA (and the even murkier powers that are being it)
>> is continuing to evolve the global societal narrative about sex.
>>
>> In polite society, it's industrial espionage this and network analysis
>> that, but when you strip all that away and look at it in the raw it's just
>> on the level of how do the kindergarten bullies control people. Cooties,
>> is how.
>>
>> Cooties is not an unassailable weapon.
>>
>> That is why I am not ultimately afraid of the NSA.
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 3:24 AM, Wendell wrote:
>>> I think the answer, as seemingly always, is to strive for openness and
>>> decentralization in everything we do, minimizing the risk of systemic
>>> failure by a kind of biomimicry.
>>>
>>> That said, if we really have to rebuild everything from the integrated
>>> circuit on up, it's going to be a long, hard slog indeed. I'm afraid
>>> that advanced at-home fabrication won't save us in time.
>>>
>>> -wendell
>>>
>>> hivewallet.com | twitter.com/hivewallet | pgp: B7179FA88C498718
>>>
>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 5:28 AM, Manfred Karrer wrote:
>>>> I agree with all your points. To put energy to fight NSA via
>>>> governmental control is a lost fight from the start. Fight in the
>>>> technological level seems unfortunately also hopeless. What else could
>>>> we do?
>>>
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