Adam, by the way I don't want to argue just for the sake of having the
last word. I agree with a lot of what you say.

I do think bitcoin is a good thing, and I think it will create
*different* and possibly better hierarchies.

I just see people falling into the fallacy of expecting technology to
solve political problems. Maybe this is a tender subject to me because
I feel I have done this myself. Of course technology has an effect,
everything is interconnected.

But politics (and economy, and everything) is people interacting,
cooperating, arguing, sometimes fighting, sometimes using deadly
violence. Bitcoin is a piece of the puzzle, but it's nowhere close the
entire thing. I just don't want to lose sight of that.

Just like bitcoin makes us more self reliant in our economic activity,
we may need to learn to be self reliant in spheres that are removed
from money and don't really have that much to do with bitcoin.


On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Thomas Hartman
<thomas@???> wrote:
> Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
>
> You don't have to storm palaces, you can form unions and collective
> bargain. Ask the german unions how this worked out for them. (Pretty
> well.)
>
> You can also lobby for politics thats support collective safety in the
> mode of the scandinavian countries, and pay your tax that makes this
> possible.
>
> There is no one size fits all or silver bullet for any of this.
>
> I guess my main point is that expecting bitcoin, or anything, to solve
> problems that involve trillions of dollars and thousands of years, is
> asking a bit much.
>
> The internet didn't give us flying cars and faster than light travel,
> and bitcoin isn't going to give us a cornucopia economy. Hard things
> take work.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Adam Gibson <ekaggata@???> wrote:
>>
>>> If you want to get a healthier gini coefficient (less inequality), there's
>>> no other way than what your ancestors did. Man up and plan to organize
>>> politically, a lot of it door to door and slow boat, and get your head
>>> around planning for decades.
>>
>> Except that never worked, as I pointed out in my reference to storming
>> winter palaces.
>>
>> Politics follows on from economic incentives.
>>
>> Political action without addressing the root causes of hierarchical
>> structures simply recreates the same structures with different people at
>> the top.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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