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Szerző: Thomas Hartman
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Tárgy: Re: [unSYSTEM] We were all children, don't lose hope :)
The legal issues are significant.

The best way might be to partner with an existing and licensed brokerage.

Off the radar pathways are to use contract for difference and escrow
pools that somehow track the value of known assets... but it's hand
wavey how to do that.

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Thomas Hartman
<thomas@???> wrote:
> Robert, have a look at mastercoin, bitshares, coloredcoin, the
> asicminer on blockchain exchange (maybe vaporware), and vitalik's
> etherium.
>
> There are many projects trying to do something like this, those are
> just the ones I know best.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
>> I like that. I think we're Sisyphus and our only job is to keep pushing
>> this big boulder further up the hill. There will be wars, there will be
>> sneaky bankers, but every step up the hill is well earned.
>>
>> I think that we're constantly taking steps in the right direction when we
>> increase the availability of technology and increase our capabilities.
>> Making bitcoin safe and a secure payment method is a logical next step.
>> However, for it to be able to really compete with other currencies we need
>> something unique to bitcoin. Besides the functionality of bitcoin, I mean.
>>
>> I'm sure this is not a new idea, but is anyone working on an international
>> stock market using only crypto-currencies? That would be something that no
>> dollar based markets could offer. A market where anyone could invest in any
>> company in the world without having to worry about exchange rates or market
>> rules of a certain country and it could run 24-hours a day. Basically, how
>> bitcoin markets already operate. The best part is any company can
>> participate not just the ones that government deems legitimate. Meaning
>> people could invest in Torrent Freak, The Pirate Bay, MegaUpload, maybe even
>> the Silk Road. It would be what a real libertarian free market is supposed
>> to be.
>>
>> I can only assume it would very difficult to implement within the US. Does
>> anyone know what kind of legal issues you might run into there?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Brant Powner <brant359@???> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well said!
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: epsylon <epsylon@???>
>>> To: Amir Taaki <genjix@???>
>>> Cc: System undo crew <unsystem@???>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] We were all children, don't lose hope :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Really nice introspective text, Amir. Thnks and keep the music
>>> playing!! ;-)
>>>
>>> On 22/12/13 21:59, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>> > Life is tough, and sometimes the odds can seem so overwhelming
>>> > that we can look around us and conclude nothing will change.
>>> >
>>> > But against the backdrop of small voices being shouted down by
>>> > authoritative professionals in charge, like kids we are challenged
>>> > by problems everywhere. Is your way better? How will it pay for
>>> > hospitals or how do XYZ? Nobody has all the solutions. Those who
>>> > claim to, are faking it like lying on a job interview.
>>> >
>>> > The real change won't happen by having a full vision laid out, or
>>> > total consensus among everybody. The communists sold a perfect
>>> > utopia, and then came the killings and murders because that utopia
>>> > is perfect and one small loss today is nothing for one big gain
>>> > tomorrow.
>>> >
>>> > Sometimes we grow up full of hope, then along the way with all the
>>> > trajedies and hopelessness in the news conclude that we're all
>>> > doomed. On a big sinking ship that we will go down together. In
>>> > our youth we maybe become full of optimism and then along the way,
>>> > start to worry for the future and all the risks / problems if
>>> > things don't turn out well.
>>> >
>>> > Some of us meet a girl/boy different from all the others, able to
>>> > feel us on a deep level, and support you as a strong friend. Full
>>> > of passion, your minds become one and the outside world starts to
>>> > close off around you. We depart from our responsibilities because
>>> > of the girl.
>>> >
>>> > I want to say that no matter how tempting it seems to retire from
>>> > a life of swimming upstream, it is and always will be a false
>>> > reality. We need every person to be free. Together we can do a
>>> > lot. Each individual is more strong they realise. But I see it all
>>> > the time. People telling me we have no power. My goal in life is
>>> > to show people that we are incredibly powerful.
>>> >
>>> > Don't think either that by doing nothing, you are not causing harm.
>>> > Everyday we shop at supermarkets, buy from tobacco companies, use
>>> > Apple/Google/Facebook/... products, wear clothes from sweatshop
>>> > labour, big banks, big pharma, watch hollywood movies, pay rent
>>> > money to landlords, support telecoms companies censoring the net,
>>> > eat McDonalds, ... Every action taken is creating more work for
>>> > someone elsewhere trying to undo your harm. Just ignoring the
>>> > problems is making your life worse, and perpetuating the
>>> > injustices.
>>> >
>>> > Bitcoin is not going to bring equality to the world. If anything
>>> > it will bring *more* inequality. But Bitcoin will bring justice
>>> > and merit. It's not about whether unregulated markets blindly
>>> > perform better than 'normal' ones. It's about the tool of power
>>> > that we can use to effect the changes we want to see. And it's a
>>> > very important tool. The economic system is unsustainable, and
>>> > Bitcoin will simply hasten the crisis. We gave adequate precaution.
>>> > If through all this time, with all the global protests, worrying
>>> > destruction of our ecology, mismanagement and wars by governments
>>> > and a growing rise of fascist tendencies through the world... if
>>> > throughout all this, you stuck your fingers in your ears and kept
>>> > doing the same, repeatedly banging your head against the wall, then
>>> > so be it. That's everything wrong in this world.
>>> >
>>> > If however, we start taking the steps now, we will have a future.
>>> > Our friends and children will have a nice niche carved out in the
>>> > future of tomorrow. Who knows, maybe that niche will grow, survive
>>> > and thrive.
>>> >
>>> > The world is not fixed. Society has short periods of intense flux,
>>> > followed by stagnation. A new wave of thought driven by internet
>>> > is rising. With the internet we can now read the bible of
>>> > democracy, its words no longer obscured by political-latin. And
>>> > what we see before us, is not what we were told. The things are
>>> > changing ever faster, and we are rapidly approaching a point of no
>>> > return. If we don't prepare for the future, then we have no
>>> > future.
>>> >
>>> > And the change? That will come from outside. Start looking around
>>> > you. Your supporters are around you.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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