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Autor: Amir Taaki
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Para: System undo crew
Assunto: Re: [unSYSTEM] Transferring btc-fiat using ssl logging and oracles
of course bitstamp won't see the blocked payments. Intersango didn't see
them either. We would just get many complaints from customers.

On Sun, 2013-11-24 at 07:55 -0800, Paul Buitink wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
>
> I run Dutch language debitcoin.org together with Tuur Demeester and
> hundreds of payments have been blocked in Holland, made to bitonic.nl
> and btcdirect.nl. It happened to my father too.
>
>
> In this Dutch interview I had with the CEO of btcdirect.nl it was
> confirmed by him:
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThIkwUJgz4Q
>
>
> It primarily relates to Rabobank and ING. Some customers apparently
> even heard that the Rabobank said Bitcoin payments didn't adhere to
> their ethical standards. I guess some customer reps didn't stick to
> the script. Libor anyone?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
>
> --
>
> Paul Buitink
>
> paulbuitink@???
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Adam Gibson wrote:
>
> > OK, but there were two independent confirmations in the comments to
> > the coindesk article; that's what I thought was significant.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Mihai Alisie
> > <mihai@???> wrote:
> >
> >
> >         I just talked with Nejc from BitStamp and he says they
> >         didn't had any problems with incoming deposits. Maybe it's
> >         BS or not -that- bad. 

> >
> >
> >         Cheers,

> >
> >         Mihai

> >
> >
> >
> >         On 22/11/13 21:05, Robert Williamson wrote: 

> >
> >         > and TransferGo
> >         > 
> >         > http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinUK/comments/1r7lek/banks_block_sepa_transfers_to_bitstamp/

> >         > 

> >         > 

> >         > 

> >         > 
> >         > On 22 November 2013 20:00, Adam Gibson <ekaggata@???> wrote:

> >         > 

> >         > 
> >         > > Events are accelerating....
> >         > > http://www.coindesk.com/dutch-bank-rabobank-blocks-bitcoin/  The most
> >         > > blatant example I've seen yet. Blocking ALL attempts to fund at BTC
> >         > > exchanges, if I read it right.

> >         > > 

> >         > > 
> >         > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Adam Gibson <ekaggata@???> wrote:

> >         > > 

> >         > > 
> >         > > > Thanks for the responses. We'll be in Milan on the 2nd December. Looking
> >         > > > forward to it.
> >         > > > I just opened reddit and saw this, another example of the problems
> >         > > > William describes (by the way, btc-e is not really new William!):
> >         > > > http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinUK/comments/1r7lek/banks_block_sepa_transfers_to_bitstamp/
> >         > > > We want people to be able to do peer to peer bank transfer with the
> >         > > > possibility of proving they've done it, thus enabling trust.

> >         > > > 
> >         > > > Our coding isn't finished; so far we've focused on that proof aspect,
> >         > > > that part is finished and being tested with real bank examples (although
> >         > > > far too few - if anyone wants to volunteer to try it, look at the
> >         > > > instructions in my previous message),also we've got multisig code ready for
> >         > > > the escrow of btc. The messaging part isn't finished. There's also the
> >         > > > possibility of integration with OpenTransactions which dansmith is actively
> >         > > > looking at right now.

> >         > > > 

> >         > > > 
> >         > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:57 PM, William Patterson <wpatterson1@???

> >         > > > 
> >         > > > > wrote:

> >         > > > > 

> >         > > > 
> >         > > > > I also agree with Mathias, and have found a new
> >         > > > > project called BTC-E at https://btc-e.com/

> >         > > > > 

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > >  where you can buy BTC as well as other digitals for
> >         > > > > much less than at Localbitcoins.  But the achilles heel is still getting
> >         > > > > funds into the project.  Us guys here in the USA are shut out from nearly
> >         > > > > all the e-currency exchangers by our oppressive over-reaching all-spying
> >         > > > > government!  Yea to anarchists like Amir Taaki and Cody Wilson, et al.
> >         > > > > Viva Liberitad!

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > Thanks for listening,
> >         > > > > Bill

> >         > > > > 

> >         > > > > 

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > From: Mihai Alisie

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > Sent: 11/21/13 09:26 PM

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > To: System undo crew

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Transferring btc-fiat using ssl logging and
> >         > > > > oracles

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > I agree with Mathias. Also looking forward to hearing more about your
> >         > > > > project.

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > Cheers,
> >         > > > > Mihai
> >         > > > > On 22/11/13 03:22, Mathias Groennebaek wrote:

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > Your project sounds very promising, exchanges are the achilles heel of
> >         > > > > bitcoin, and in many cases the people who are most likely to pursue
> >         > > > > regulatory compliance are people who run exchanges.

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > Localbitcoins is a good project, but it lacks ease of use. Which is key.

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > Would be interresting to hear more about.

> >         > > > > 

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Adam Gibson <ekaggata@???> <ekaggata@???> wrote:

> >         > > > > 

> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > Myself and dansmith on the BTC talk forum have been developing a system
> >         > > > > for allowing people to buy BTC via bank accounts,OK Pay and others without
> >         > > > > the need for trusting a third party, by making a verifiable record of the
> >         > > > > ssl session, and using 2 of 3 multisig for dispute resolution. The project
> >         > > > > is described in brief here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=326233.msg3499434#msg3499434
> >         > > > > and we already have "oracle" machines running for
> >         > > > > testing. Code is at
> >         > > > > https://github.com/themighty1/ssllog and other
> >         > > > > places. Detailed technical descriptions aren't
> >         > > > > really set up but you can see the (completely
> >         > > > > rambling) development in
> >         > > > > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173220.msg3429555#msg3429555. Would people be interested in our coming to Milan to discuss it? I realise (well I think I do) that the meetup/conference is not mostly about this kind of thing, but I just thought there might be some interest. _______________________________________________ unSYSTEM mailing list: http://unsystem.net https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/unsystem _______________________________________________ unSYSTEM mailing list: http://unsystem.net https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/unsystem -- Editor-in-Chief Bitcoin Magazine _______________________________________________ unSYSTEM mailing list: http://unsystem.net https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/unsystem 

> >         > > > > 

> >         > > > > 

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