On 11/19/2013 01:55 PM, Mike Gogulski wrote:
> Reject transactions from Tor nodes and they'll be posted on USENET, the Bittorrent DHTs, I2P, Freenet, blog comment spam, DNS TXT entries, Tahoe-LAFS shared directories, pastebins, piratepads, whatever. In any case, it doesn't matter where the tx is generated, as long as there's at least one node willing to ignore the "reject from Tor" rule and relay to the rest of the network. You can't stop the signal...


Indeed, it would be only a "statement" and it would by no means be
foolproof. Of course in the long term we may see a showdown between strong
anonymity software such at TOR and tools which make speech have power such
as Bitcoin. As the developer of cjdns I suppose it's no secret that I am
a believer in weak anonymity where everybody knows someone but nobody knows
everyone. I think this model is far more scalable than the TOR model of
strong cryptographically enforced anonymity.


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> It's very likely that this is NOT a false flag. People have been coding toy assassination markets for a decade or more, it's just that only recently has the digital bearer currency (Bitcoin) component slotted into place to complete the puzzle.
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> Heck, there's someone on this very list (or at least directly connected to several of us) who related this anecdote early this year or late last year:
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> "So, I was at a conference a few months ago and a guy sitting next to me was writing code for an assassination market. Right there, before my eyes."
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> BTW, Caleb, could you get me a Hyperboria invite, please? I'd like to at least set up a Bitcoin full node that bridges between cjdns and the 0ld sk00l internet.


Sure thing, send me mail with the general location of your machine and I'll
talk to someone with a server reasonably close to you (because of latency).
Someone was asking if anyone was willing to run an Electrum server in
Hyperboria so there is definitely some desire.

Thanks,
Caleb


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> Peace, Mike
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> On 11/19/2013 01:39 PM, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
>> This has me rather scared. IMO the chance of this being a false flag to smear the Bitcoin community is nontrivial and if it takes off, this is just the kind of thing which will make nighttime roundups and disappearances seem somewhat reasonable in the mind of Grandma Voter.
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>> The flip side of this terror is paramilitary application to make political dissidents disappear or censor themselves by way of very credible death threats.
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>> TOR makes anonymous speech possible and Bitcoin makes speech and action synonymous. The result is not anarchism, the result is Chaos, and from the Chaos, Order.
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>> Maybe things could be helped by a show of intolerance toward this, perhaps something like a patch which rejects transactions emitting from TOR nodes? It doesn't have to be 100% effective, just something to say that this is not what we are about.
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>> Thanks, Caleb
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>> On 11/19/2013 01:14 PM, Jaromil wrote:
>>> hi Mike,
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>>> thanks for the historical pointers, I'm well aware of this theme but never bothered to compile a little overview as you did.
>>>
>>> my analysis is that this new iteration can revamp the strategy of tension in the western world, of course with disastrous political consequences. a relevant mutation for a new SoT being that political ideologies are not playing a central role anymore for this strategy, since the Crusade war against Islam is worn out and since cold war is over for real and there are no apparent nor substantial treats coming from that side. I just wonder if in this setup then the big capital would be the
>>> enemy? I guess not, a new one would need to be constructed and could be, right here.
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>>> while i sincerely hope to be wrong, and those websites to be jokes, this feels like a painfully plausible analysis and there are many high-profile criminals ruling various governments that could benefit right now from a new SoT.
>>>
>>> ciao
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>>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013, Mike Gogulski wrote:
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>>>> Whether one thinks they suck or not, Bitcoin has been a key enabler for assassination markets since its inception. It's been my argument for some time that, like it or not, they may become inevitable.
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>>>> For anyone interested:
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>>>> The now-classic "Assassination Politics" essays from the mid-90s, by Jim Bell:
>>>>
>>>> http://cryptome.org/ap.htm
>>>>
>>>> Here's some 10-year-old discussion pro and con, from anti-state.com. Note that the philosophical backdrop of some here is predominantly American anarcho-capitalism, with all of its vulgar libertarian tendencies.
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>>>> http://anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=262
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>>>> http://anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=265
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>>>> http://anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=266
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>>>> http://anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=289
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>>>> http://anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=295
>>>>
>>>> And a brief, pre-Bitcoin-awareness treatment of the topic from the Center for a Stateless Society (left-libertarian market anarchist):
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>>>> http://c4ss.org/content/1157
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/18/2013 10:59 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>>> don't joke about such crap. these markets suck.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 15:47 +0000, jindq1 wrote:
>>>>>> Amir, is this your site? :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jonathan James Harrison <jonathanjamesharrison@???> wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/18/meet-the-assassination-market-creator-whos-crowdfunding-murder-with-bitcoins/
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