>
> I assume here is one major disagreement, quote from Gavin:
> "But I see advocating for Bitcoin as separate from advocating for
> financial privacy/freedom in general."
>

This is clear from the message placed in the genesis coinbase transaction
and other messages from satoshi didn't create this software for fun.

The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks


This quote shows how concerned the creator was with the current centralised
fiat currency system, along with the power that this gives to governments
and the financial sector.


On 6 November 2013 13:52, Benjamin Cordes <benjamin.l.cordes@???>wrote:

> On Paul Graham's disagreement hierarchy this ranks somewhere between
> DH0-DH3, but DH6 is much preferable.
> http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html
>
> I assume here is one major disagreement, quote from Gavin:
> "But I see advocating for Bitcoin as separate from advocating for
> financial privacy/freedom in general."
>
> I have come to the conclusion that Bitcoin can not be neutral, but rather
> separating these two goals (usefulness and political cause whatever it may
> be), means pursuing a certain type of system. So I have arrived at the
> idea, that the principle, the goal of the system, will have to be built
> into it, right from the beginning. Basically a bit like GPL, where the
> license achieves a lock-in. GPL is less free than MIT, because it restricts
> users to building free software, with freedom defined by GPL.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Mike Gogulski <mike@???> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry for any formatting chaos. Just posted this at:
>>
>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=322328.msg3466752#msg3466752
>>
>> Enjoy my bile!
>>
>>
>> Quote from: Mike Hearn on November 02, 2013, 02:43:14 PM<https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=322328.msg3463519#msg3463519>
>> ----
>> I don't think Amir will actually do that though, because that might
>> suggest that maybe Gavin and Mike aren't idiots who work for the Illuminati.
>> ----
>>
>> For the record, I don't think that Mike Hearn and Gavin Andresen are
>> idiots who work for the Illuminati.
>>
>> Clearly, they are both intelligent people. They could not *possibly* have
>> achieved what they have while being idiots.
>>
>> However, I do declare, Mike Hearn and Gavin Andresen, that you seem to be
>> complete assholes. And while I won't point at the Illuminati (I am, after
>> all, a card-carrying member for a quarter of your pathetic human
>> centuries), I will say this: Hearn and Andresen, you behave like
>> dyed-in-the-wool statists who either:
>>
>> a) HATE the idea of taking ANY personal risk to fight the evil fucks who
>> presently own the planet, meaning you're fucking cowards (grow a pair); OR
>>
>> b) are completely UNCONSCIOUS of the fact that evil who fucks presently
>> own the planet, meaning you're INEDUCABLY IGNORANT of matters you've long
>> been exposed to in the Bitcoin milieu (wake up and take a lesson,
>> Stockholm-syndrome-affected dumbasses); OR
>>
>> c) are IN BED with the evil fucks who presently own the planet, in which
>> you are traitors to humanity (die screaming, on fire, alone, each in your
>> own separate hole); OR
>>
>> d) want to BECOME one of the evil fucks who presently own the planet
>> (ditto).
>>
>> I'll leave it to the sycophantic fanentity audience to choose among the
>> three or... wait for it... scream blue murder at me for uttering
>> uncomfortable truths.
>>
>> Now, I don't mean to say that the two of you go around crushing kittens
>> or such, but look:
>>
>> - You two CONSTANTLY harp on Amir's fuckup with Bitcoinica. Amir DID fuck
>> up there, bigtime. You seem incapable of entertaining the notion that he
>> learned anything from that, or that it was an honest mistake rather than
>> willful negligence or malice, and you seem to act, therefore, like anything
>> Amir says or is involved with is a pool of liquid shit with anthrax and
>> ricin sprinkles on top.
>>
>> - Gavin's BOMBASTIC IGNORANT DUMBSHITTERY of historical context in
>> writing <https://plus.google.com/+DeclanMcCullagh/posts/YLe37k7vonQ>(Google+, 20 May 2013):
>>
>> Quote from: Gavin Andresen
>> ----
>> We're never going to agree on tactics. I'm a pragmatist, so if putting
>> star patches on my air guitar gives the people in power warm fuzzies, I'm
>> happy to do it. I'll ask them exactly what type of star they'd like me to
>> use and exactly where they'd like me to apply it, and while they were busy
>> figuring that out I'll be busy working hard to get a few million more air
>> guitar users.
>>
>> Being a majority protects people from assaults.
>> ----
>>
>> (...because that worked so well in Warsaw, Godwinbergheimgrad, etc.)
>>
>> - You tolerate a dangerous,
>> rather-much-extremely-more-extremely-more-mentally-ill-than-Amir-or-me
>> beast like luke-jr
>>
>> - You continuously promote a "profit over people" line of thinking
>>
>> - and on and on.
>>
>> So, get fucked, the both of you. Take Garzik and luke-monster with you.
>> You will be superseded, and your control lost as tears in falling rain.
>>
>>
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