It's totally non-trivial how to use blockchain stuff to accomplish all
this, but I think it's possible. It goes far beyond the scope of "move
value from A to B," which is why it requires a lot more thought.

I like to link to these two academic papers a lot, they are the most
relevant theory IMO on how decentralized contract enforcement could
work.

http://dimitrietal.com/trustdavis.pdf TrustDavis is a system of peer
to peer insurance. You can think of it as p2p escrow. Its very much
unlike the (impotent) escrows we see in Bitcoin today. For one thing,
the escrow does not insure strangers, it only makes sense to insure
people you trust. Second, the insurer *himself* may have to cover the
difference if there's a dispute and it's not possible to tell which
party is lying. You can opt to insure *a pair* of people transacting
and not just an individual to transact with anyone.

http://emlab.berkeley.edu/~szeidl/papers/socialcollateral.pdf This is
an economics paper that makes the argument that p2p credit actually
*describes* how people *already* make transactions. It has a
theoretical model, but, unlike TrustDavis, it assumes that if there's
a dispute, everyone learns *correctly* which party is at fault. This
is not realistic for an online transaction, and it doesn't say how an
online transaction system would help.

Implementing TrustDavis would be a start. The idea of actually making
yourself financially vulnerable (though in limited amounts) to your
friends seems to scare most people away... but that's what makes this
work. It's less clear how to make it work for anonymous transactions
that rely on collateral moving along preestablished links yet protect
privacy by obscuring the details.

On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Daniel Larimer
<dlarimer@???> wrote:
> The key to freedom is eliminating the need for courts to enforce contracts.
> Giving the government even this single task already creates courts outside
> the consent of the governed. From this monopoly over interpreting and
> enforcing (or not enforcing) contracts all other power of government can be
> derived.
>
> Courts, Democracies and governments are all evolutions that enhance tyranny
> by hiding it behind a mask of legitimacy and fairness. None of these
> systems has worked to enhance freedom or to protect the life, liberty, or
> property of the people. At the core of monopoly courts is the authority to
> reallocate property without the consent of the owners. At the core of
> democracy is that the majority can reallocate resources of the minority.
> At the core of government is that they own everything and may kill whom they
> like.
>
> I contend that it is unnecessary to rely on coercion to enforce contracts or
> maintain law and order. This means that it is possible to operate without
> the need for government courts and the key to all of this is decentralized
> identity, reputation, arbitration, and surety bonds. Almost all of this
> can be implemented with block-chain based consensus with a proper set of
> rules.
>
> I am working on making this a reality and would love to work with others
> interested in the same.
>
> Non Violent Law Enforcement:
> https://the-iland.net/content/nonviolent-law-enforcement
> Our Socialist Justice System:
> https://the-iland.net/content/socialist-justice-system
>
> Dan
>
> On Nov 2, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Benjamin Cordes <benjamin.l.cordes@???>
> wrote:
>
> "I prefer to keep Bitcoin pure, simple and focused. Value transfer from A ?
> B. "
>
> Almost all meaningful economic transactions involve third parties.
> Governments and courts evolved for precisely this reason. Contracts are
> enforced by the law (and thereby the power of the state, as Mike pointed
> out). The question very much remains how Bitcoin improves at all on economic
> transactions. I think there is a lot of confusion about this, to put it
> mildly. Much of what is written is not very well intellectually grounded.
> Courts, democracies, governments evolved over roughly 1000 years.
>
> Mastercoin and BIP70 are good examples of how the Bitcoin community really
> fails to acknowledge some basic fundamental principles of how economic
> transactions and contracts work. Which is why we haven't really seen any
> major new use case, besides those which involve activities which bypass laws
> (donating to political organizations which Visa & Mastercard don't like).
> Bitcoin is very far away from changing any of this, especially if does not
> add any layers which make it useful. However, once such layers would exist
> the potential is almost unbounded.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, jamileh s.t. <xiaziyna@???>
> wrote:
>>
>> a single signal,
>> far too old to hear
>> uncountable and yet more mutable
>> than mere breathing and vanishing,
>> too minimal for death.
>> singular and yet a unity
>> a multitude of the single celled
>>
>>
>> On 31 October 2013 11:48, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> very busy, hard to keep up with email. both your explanations are
>>> correct. imagine a poker table. if everyone's collaborating, then the
>>> game is rigged. same with tor. you need at least 1 hop to be honest
>>> for it to work. with mixing you need at least 1 other to be honest.
>>> this is the basis for byzantine fault tolerance working (see the paper
>>> about NFS).
>>>
>>> On 31/10/13 12:45, Tristan Winters wrote:
>>> > Yeah, I am hoping to do the same thing with our Australian
>>> > Foundation. We may be far away, but we?ve got a kick-arse team.
>>> >
>>> > The more projects like this the better.
>>> >
>>> > I am pretty certain that Coin Punk funding is coming straight from
>>> > the foundation. Bitcoin magazine ran an article about Coin Punk
>>> > getting a grant from them.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, did you get my email about the trustless mixer ??? I?m in a
>>> > debate with a guy about it and I?d appreciate your feedback.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > TW.
>>> >
>>> > On 31 Oct 2013, at 12:37 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>>> > <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > his email: Kyle Drake <kyledrake@???
>>> > <mailto:kyledrake@gmail.com>>
>>> >
>>> > I think we can provide people a credible alternative to help good
>>> > projects we want to see thrive.
>>> >
>>> > On 31/10/13 12:34, Tristan Winters wrote:
>>> >>>> Cool Video.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> But isn?t the "Coin Punk? wallet financed by the US
>>> >>>> Foundation?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> TW.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 31 Oct 2013, at 9:05 am, Cody R Wilson
>>> >>>> <codywilson@??? <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>
>>> >>>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Trick or Treat, Western Civilization:
>>> >>>>> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bitcoin-dark-wallet/x/5141070
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> Render your contempt visible, your resistance invisible.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> /While hitherto all valuations and ideals have been built
>>> >>>>> on ignorance of Bitcoin or in contradiction to it-
>>> >>>>> therefore long live Bitcoin!/
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:17 AM, jindq1 <jindq1@???
>>> >>>>> <mailto:jindq1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Email is inefficient for much more than general updates.
>>> >>>>> That's the gist of it.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Amir Taaki
>>> >>>>> <genjix@??? <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> but we are all here now with a collective voice, creating
>>> >>>> projects, making a name and creative a voice for everyone.
>>> >>>> what is openbitco.in <http://openbitco.in/> offering better?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 31/10/13 04:50, jindq1 wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> While I may not always feel like the people on this list
>>> >>>> match my
>>> >>>>> own personal opinions on economics, politics and
>>> >>>>> technology, I'm here because I crave difference (it's how
>>> >>>>> you learn about
>>> >>>> yourself
>>> >>>>> and the world afterall). That's why even if I hear a
>>> >>>>> million
>>> >>>> things
>>> >>>>> I don't agree with, I won't ignore it, I'll either argue
>>> >>>> with it or
>>> >>>>> accept it. This has prompted me to take my own interests
>>> >>>>> in learning, being productive and useful, and my disgust
>>> >>>>> for corruption and hypocrisy and propose a new
>>> >>>>> decentralized organization that puts the voice of people
>>> >>>>> back into their own hands, and not a highly moderated forum
>>> >>>>> or rich dude's.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> * Original openbitco.in <http://openbitco.in/>
>>> >>>> <http://openbitco.in <http://openbitco.in/>> proposal:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E-hLRcG0pejC4h02BCN_fdXJH3j9AAHziYZHivcmDbU/edit?usp=sharing
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> * Current development site: http://openbitco.in
>>> >>>> <http://openbitco.in/>
>>> >>>>> * Other site features under construction and
>>> >>>>> consideration:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajtx05YrHtIydGZFNzBZVTEtaldZXzNjUXRCZFc1RHc#gid=0
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> * Decentralized openbitco.in <http://openbitco.in/>
>>> >>>> <http://openbitco.in <http://openbitco.in/>> forum proposal:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E-hLRcG0pejC4h02BCN_fdXJH3j9AAHziYZHivcmDbU/edit?usp=sharing
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> * For more information or if you'd like to participate with the
>>> >>>> other
>>> >>>>> 30 members involved at the moment, PM me for the skype
>>> >>>>> chatroom.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> I'd love your guys' opinion on it, even if it's "that will
>>> >>>>> never work", because it would only be more fun for me when
>>> >>>>> it does. :)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Hope everyone had fun at the Amsterdam conference we did
>>> >>>>> last month, we're working on the next 2 and I can't wait to
>>> >>>>> start the marketplaces up as OpenBitco.in!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Matthew
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
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>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> - -- Sincerely,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Cody R. Wilson codywilson@???
>>> >>>>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The University of Texas School of Law Class of 2014
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