"I prefer to keep Bitcoin pure, simple and focused. Value transfer from A ?
B. "

Almost all meaningful economic transactions involve third parties.
Governments and courts evolved for precisely this reason. Contracts are
enforced by the law (and thereby the power of the state, as Mike pointed
out). The question very much remains how Bitcoin improves at all on
economic transactions. I think there is a lot of confusion about this, to
put it mildly. Much of what is written is not very well intellectually
grounded. Courts, democracies, governments evolved over roughly 1000 years.


Mastercoin and BIP70 are good examples of how the Bitcoin community really
fails to acknowledge some basic fundamental principles of how economic
transactions and contracts work. Which is why we haven't really seen any
major new use case, besides those which involve activities which bypass
laws (donating to political organizations which Visa & Mastercard don't
like). Bitcoin is very far away from changing any of this, especially if
does not add any layers which make it useful. However, once such layers
would exist the potential is almost unbounded.


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, jamileh s.t. <xiaziyna@???>wrote:

> a single signal,
> far too old to hear
> uncountable and yet more mutable
> than mere breathing and vanishing,
> too minimal for death.
> singular and yet a unity
> a multitude of the single celled
>
>
> On 31 October 2013 11:48, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>
>> >> very busy, hard to keep up with email. both your explanations are
>> correct. imagine a poker table. if everyone's collaborating, then the
>> game is rigged. same with tor. you need at least 1 hop to be honest
>> for it to work. with mixing you need at least 1 other to be honest.
>> this is the basis for byzantine fault tolerance working (see the paper
>> about NFS).
>>
>> On 31/10/13 12:45, Tristan Winters wrote:
>> > Yeah, I am hoping to do the same thing with our Australian
>> > Foundation. We may be far away, but we?ve got a kick-arse team.
>> >
>> > The more projects like this the better.
>> >
>> > I am pretty certain that Coin Punk funding is coming straight from
>> > the foundation. Bitcoin magazine ran an article about Coin Punk
>> > getting a grant from them.
>> >
>> > Anyway, did you get my email about the trustless mixer ??? I?m in a
>> > debate with a guy about it and I?d appreciate your feedback.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > TW.
>> >
>> > On 31 Oct 2013, at 12:37 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>> > <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> > his email: Kyle Drake <kyledrake@???
>> > <mailto:kyledrake@gmail.com>>
>> >
>> > I think we can provide people a credible alternative to help good
>> > projects we want to see thrive.
>> >
>> > On 31/10/13 12:34, Tristan Winters wrote:
>> >>>> Cool Video.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But isn?t the "Coin Punk? wallet financed by the US
>> >>>> Foundation?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> TW.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 31 Oct 2013, at 9:05 am, Cody R Wilson
>> >>>> <codywilson@??? <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>
>> >>>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Trick or Treat, Western Civilization:
>> >>>>> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bitcoin-dark-wallet/x/5141070
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> Render your contempt visible, your resistance invisible.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> /While hitherto all valuations and ideals have been built
>> >>>>> on ignorance of Bitcoin or in contradiction to it-
>> >>>>> therefore long live Bitcoin!/
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:17 AM, jindq1 <jindq1@???
>> >>>>> <mailto:jindq1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Email is inefficient for much more than general updates.
>> >>>>> That's the gist of it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Amir Taaki
>> >>>>> <genjix@??? <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> but we are all here now with a collective voice, creating
>> >>>> projects, making a name and creative a voice for everyone.
>> >>>> what is openbitco.in <http://openbitco.in/> offering better?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 31/10/13 04:50, jindq1 wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> While I may not always feel like the people on this list
>> >>>> match my
>> >>>>> own personal opinions on economics, politics and
>> >>>>> technology, I'm here because I crave difference (it's how
>> >>>>> you learn about
>> >>>> yourself
>> >>>>> and the world afterall). That's why even if I hear a
>> >>>>> million
>> >>>> things
>> >>>>> I don't agree with, I won't ignore it, I'll either argue
>> >>>> with it or
>> >>>>> accept it. This has prompted me to take my own interests
>> >>>>> in learning, being productive and useful, and my disgust
>> >>>>> for corruption and hypocrisy and propose a new
>> >>>>> decentralized organization that puts the voice of people
>> >>>>> back into their own hands, and not a highly moderated forum
>> >>>>> or rich dude's.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> * Original openbitco.in <http://openbitco.in/>
>> >>>> <http://openbitco.in <http://openbitco.in/>> proposal:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E-hLRcG0pejC4h02BCN_fdXJH3j9AAHziYZHivcmDbU/edit?usp=sharing
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> * Current development site: http://openbitco.in
>> >>>> <http://openbitco.in/>
>> >>>>> * Other site features under construction and
>> >>>>> consideration:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajtx05YrHtIydGZFNzBZVTEtaldZXzNjUXRCZFc1RHc#gid=0
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> * Decentralized openbitco.in <http://openbitco.in/>
>> >>>> <http://openbitco.in <http://openbitco.in/>> forum proposal:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E-hLRcG0pejC4h02BCN_fdXJH3j9AAHziYZHivcmDbU/edit?usp=sharing
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> * For more information or if you'd like to participate with the
>> >>>> other
>> >>>>> 30 members involved at the moment, PM me for the skype
>> >>>>> chatroom.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I'd love your guys' opinion on it, even if it's "that will
>> >>>>> never work", because it would only be more fun for me when
>> >>>>> it does. :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hope everyone had fun at the Amsterdam conference we did
>> >>>>> last month, we're working on the next 2 and I can't wait to
>> >>>>> start the marketplaces up as OpenBitco.in!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Matthew
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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