On 11/01/2013 12:48 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
> jason, i added more info to the Igg page under "your keys. your privacy"
> with links to technical info, past work. just going to draft a text now on
> how we will use funds and make other improvements.
>
>> To The Crew,
>>
>> I don't get near enough time to add to the conversation here. That's too
>> bad, I am so in awe of the work that is being done here and would love to
>> contribute more.
>> I first want to congratulate everyone on the indiegogo campaign. The
>> initial showing for the fundraiser is quite impressive. I have no doubt
>> you
>> will exceed your financial goals on this. I donated.
>>
>> But I can't help but feel you are sacrificing a much larger community
>> impact by not having a more plain words description of the benefits of
>> dark
>> wallet. The video is beautiful, well constructed, and moving. It does
>> exactly what it was intended to do. I was moved, I agree with it's
>> message...I am also *already on this mailing list. *
>> *
>> *
>> The indiegogo campaign has 133 contributors, that is not a battalion,
much
>> less an army. And my feeling is that if the contributor list was public I
>> would already be familiar with most of the names on the list. People that
>> are already, publicly, aligned with the goals stated by this campaign.
>> Dark
>> Wallet and the other ideals championed by this group are important and
>> necessary to EVERYBODY. Even the people that don't know it yet. And the
>> marketing campaign, in it's current form, is not digestible to a large
>> part
>> of the community.
>>
>> Maybe that's the plan. Maybe you are trying to weed out certain classes.
>> But that, seems at odds with the ideals expressed here.
>>
>> I'm not saying to stop what you are doing, at all. I'm saying I think
>> there
>> is a great force multiplier to be had by having an additional, stripped
>> down version of the message that focuses on just the technical
benefits of
>> the platform as it is being proposed. The benefits are obvious. They do
>> not
>> need political overtone, fear, or anarchist galvanization to stand on
>> their
>> own merits.
>>
>> Why wouldn't you want trustless mixing?
>>
>> Why wouldn't you want to have alternative full wallet implementations
free
>> of qt and bitcoind?
>>
>> Why wouldn't you want a more distributed group of developers working on
>> Bitcoin?
>>
>> Isn't the whole point of Bitcoin to do away with single point of failure?
>>
>> These ideas are powerful, very powerful. The work you are doing IS THE
>> REVOLUTION. The revolution does not need a trumpeter next to it
saying, YO
>> DAWG THIS IS THE REVOLUTION.
>>
>> I propose, sometime in the next few weeks, before the campaign ends, you
>> run a piece entitled "Shedding Light on Dark Wallet" that just explains
>> all
>> the benefits that Dark Wallet can offer, in very plain terms. Just a
>> clean,
>> well put together, article or video that explains the offering you are
>> building. Completely free of any other ancillary benefit or protection
>> this
>> technology may offer. I think you will be shocked at how well something
>> like that will be received.
>>
>> When you have been breathing smog, oxygen needs no hype man.
>>
>> And you say you need work, not ideas. If you guys are interested in
>> putting
>> something like that together, I would be privileged to help create it and
>> promote it. And I think it will probably shake a few more talented
workers
>> out of the woodwork.
>>
>> At the end of the day, do we want...
>>
>> To say fuck the US? Or to build the tools that will protect everyone from
>> their grasp?
>>
>> To say fuck the Bitcoin Foundation? Or use them as a speed bump to dance
>> with regulators, while we build the infrastructure that makes the
>> regulators and the foundation irrelevant?
>>
>> To say this world is fucked? Or do the work that makes it better.
>>
>>
>> I realize I juxtaposed "you" and "we" a lot here. That's because I
>> recognize that I have really done nothing to push this forward so far,
>> "you" have. But I feel so close to the ideal here, it's hard to not see
>> myself in it. I hope you guys will forgive me grammar indiscretions. I am
>> in awe of you all.
>>
>> Thank you so much for what you do.
>>
>> Jason King
>> Sean's Outpost
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Tristan Winters
>> <tristan_winters@???
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> They are referring to this: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
>>>
>>> The foundation did not get 9 million dollars.
>>> But as soon as the above company got VC backed, they became a "Gold
>>> Member" of the foundation.
>>> And the foundation got a large number of Bitcoins in that way.
>>>
>>> Anyway, this has clearly touched a nerve in the community. The
>>> crowd-funding 24hr response shows that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:25 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> this article is head in the clouds laa dee da that does not fit the
>>> reality.
>>>>
>>>> first of all bitcoin foundation should not be involved in development
>>> of
>>>> bitcoin if that are interacting with the state. that means not paying
>>>> salaries to people who exert undue influence over the protocol.
>>>>
>>>> if they choose to continue to be involved with bitcoin development
>>> then
>>>> they should also support dark wallet, electrum, and hive (which are
>>> now
>>>> combining as one project pooling our efforts).
>>>>
>>>> if they want to be involved in development, then the role should be in
>>>> establishing a neutral space (which i have not seen be done and have
>>> no
>>>> confidence will be done). i want to see more stick. I've seen some
>>> cliquey
>>>> and sneaky behaviour coming from bitcoind devs. multiple instances of
>>>> top-down commands (evoking that power when not neccessary) or shutting
>>>> down debate over contentious issues.
>>>>
>>>> twice i contacted the foundation over issues where I was being
>>> unfairly
>>>> placed at a disadvantage as a dev because of office politics (being
>>> taken
>>>> off mailing lists .etc) but they refused to intervene. they are paying
>>>> salaries of devs. I would have words if someone I was working with was
>>>> acting like a cunt.
>>>>
>>>> I told this to elizabeth already, and she's a force for good working
>>> on
>>>> bitcoin with pure motives.
>>>>
>>>> from a journalist friend of ours. he sent me this yesterday:
>>>>
>>>>> Just got a call from the bitcoin foundation. They wouldn't go on the
>>>>> record to comment on the article but just kept telling me "off the
>>>>> record" that you lot have no credibility and that a much better story
>>> is
>>>>> some venture capitalist yesterday investing $9m in bitcoin...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> can't stop laughing. ok, where is this 9 million. what is it doing? i
>>>> haven't seen any of it yet. they have all the resources, leigitimacy
>>> and
>>>> attention but what have they done. they are lost in the politics.
>>>>
>>>> we have donations from many, not 1 rich fascist. how will this 9
>>> million
>>>> be used. the money from the community will go far, be collectively
>>>> managed in a multisig and be used well. we don't waste 9 million on
>>>> lawyers giving to people part of the state apparatus.
>>>>
>>>> why don't they go on record and back up their words?
>>>>
>>>> godspeed :) today we finally forced an important issue in bitcoin to
>>> the
>>>> forefront. this is where we will make our stand for freedom and our
>>>> values. great job cody for his mastermind work here.
>>>>
>>>>> The video is so fucken crazy. Thank God you're a force for good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another time and place you could work for the propaganda ministry of
>>> some
>>>>> Eastern Block country. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Check this out also, it's a balanced piece doing the rounds:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
http://techliberation.com/2013/10/31/bitcoin-is-going-mainstream-here-is-why-cypherpunks-shouldnt-worry/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:01 pm, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to thank everyone on this list especially for the
>>> tremendous
>>>>>> response the Dark Wallet campaign received yesterday. Within 24
>>> hours
>>> we
>>>>>> received just over 25k USD in combined contributions. Share the
>>> video
>>> if
>>>>>> you haven't already. It seems to be popularizing the spirit of
>>> crypto.
>>>>>> There is demand!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???>
>>> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> We're doing a crowd funding campaign for DarkWallet soon. I'm
> >>> looking
> for any material (especially from people here) that we can weave
> >>> into
> a tapestry of our vision and ideals.
>
> How we are thinking, what we are working towards, what interests us,
> >>> ...
>
> Articles, videos, images, forum posts, ... anything. We want to
> present something to the people
>
> * It's not only about the 'black market' but tools for the people,
> >>> the
> limitations and the monopoly of money / economy.
> * Tools like DarkWallet are your own financial system, a free
> >>> financial
> system.
> * It's important to talk about independence and community
> >>> (organising
> together).
> * Everything from petrol, food, computers, even our health is
> manipulated.
> * Finance is one aspect, but we need to take back control of more
> things.
> * Silk Road: $1.2 billion market, 2 murders, >2 years. DPR is a
> >>> hero.
> Compare that with something like producing rice and all the people
> that die.
> * More simply:
> ** Bitcoin = amazing scifi. The blockchain is incredible.
> ** No technical limitations. The limitations are human limitations.
> ** We will have all the tools, but we need the community.
> * Bitcoin Foundation has a lot of money, all the legitimacy but they
> >>> do
> nothing. They are lost in the politics, but aren't thinking of
> >>> serving
> the people.
> * We are here now working with the future in mind. These things take
> time and are slow. Maybe 5 years from now all these crazy concepts
> become reality.
> ** Bitcoin is still young.
> ** It's also about the internet.
> ** Bitcoin is something new but immensely powerful.
>
>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cody R. Wilson
>>>>>> codywilson@???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The University of Texas School of Law
>>>>>> Class of 2014
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