Who wrote that part??? It’s fucking shit hot.
The part about the founding fathers, federation of states and local decision making made me fist pump the air.


On 1 Nov 2013, at 6:17 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:

> > did you read the section of the darkwallet.unsystem.net called we dont
> have to cooperate with control freaks?
>
> On 01/11/13 18:15, Jason King wrote:
>> I don't think anyone is advocating explaining ourselves to the
>> legacy power structure. And I also understand that IS what the
>> Bitcoin Foundation is currently engaged in. My point is that is
>> ultimately only detrimental to the bitcoin foundation. It is
>> irrelevant to anything being done here. In fact, you can probably
>> make the argument that the futility they participate in by
>> engageing regulators is actually keeping the spotlight off all the
>> other work being done.
>>
>> It doesn't have to be us vs them. It is my opinion that engaging in
>> this manner only strengthen peoples view of the power they have.
>> People don't rally against the irrelevant.
>>
>> Where as just doing what needs to be done, and concentrating on
>> spreading the work that is being done, is more beneficial and
>> productive than pointing fingers ever could be.
>>
>> They use fear. We don't have to.
>>
>> Just my .02btc
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2013 11:50 AM, "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???
>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I'm willing to write a longer piece for the magazine, an open
>> letter, anything if that is what is called for. I know
>> darkwallet.unsystem.net <http://darkwallet.unsystem.net> has more
>> direct criticism, but the message in my video toward the
>> foundation is toward a particular way of thinking- one featuring
>> our old friend ideology.
>>
>> In talking about the foundation I visuals from Orson Welle's film
>> adaption of Kafka's /The Trial/. Joseph K's chief naivete
>> throughout his engagement with the state is his sense that he can
>> both make a clear account of himself and his life and resolve his
>> situation in a way that the process would understand as resolved.
>>
>> The beautiful and terrible irony is that it is K's earnest
>> participation that renders him a more visible subject of power. No
>> account matters. It is the cooperation, the desire for discipline,
>> that leads to his execution.
>>
>> In this way I believe the video is gentle and honest in its
>> criticism. Asking for permission from and trying to explain
>> yourself to the legacy powers has only one end.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Vitalik, this is the story we need to get out:
>>
>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=322483
>>
>> one of cooperation and mutual solidarity between competitors
>> finding middle ground to make effective use of resources. this is
>> the power and beauty of openness.
>>
>>> Thank you Jason, very solid argument. I'm not in favor of
>>> burning bridges myself; there are many great people in the
>>> foundation (eg. Elizabeth for one, and even Jon Matonis has
>>> publicly written
>> articles
>>> praising System D on numerous occasions), and we should work
>> with them
>>> to make the foundation better. I looked at the Dark Wallet
>> thread inside
>>> the foundation forums, and many people are excited about it.
>> There is
>>> absolutely no reason why we need to reject potential friends.
>>>
>>> I will consider writing an article myself over the next few
>> days or
>>> weeks, unless someone else wishes to take this responsibility.
>>>
>>> On 11/01/2013 10:37 AM, Jason King wrote:
>>>> To The Crew,
>>>>
>>>> I don't get near enough time to add to the conversation here.
>> That's
>>> too bad, I am so in awe of the work that is being done here
>> and would
>>> love to contribute more.
>>>> I first want to congratulate everyone on the indiegogo
>> campaign. The
>>> initial showing for the fundraiser is quite impressive. I have
>> no doubt
>>> you will exceed your financial goals on this. I donated.
>>>>
>>>> But I can't help but feel you are sacrificing a much larger
>> community
>>> impact by not having a more plain words description of the
>> benefits of
>>> dark wallet. The video is beautiful, well constructed, and
>> moving. It
>>> does exactly what it was intended to do. I was moved, I agree
>> with it's
>>> message...I am also /already on this mailing list. /
>>>> / / The indiegogo campaign has 133 contributors, that is not a
>> battalion,
>>> much less an army. And my feeling is that if the contributor
>> list was
>>> public I would already be familiar with most of the names on
>> the list.
>>> People that are already, publicly, aligned with the goals
>> stated by this
>>> campaign. Dark Wallet and the other ideals championed by this
>> group are
>>> important and necessary to EVERYBODY. Even the people that
>> don't know it
>>> yet. And the marketing campaign, in it's current form, is not
>> digestible
>>> to a large part of the community.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe that's the plan. Maybe you are trying to weed out
>>>> certain
>>> classes. But that, seems at odds with the ideals expressed here.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not saying to stop what you are doing, at all. I'm saying
>> I think
>>> there is a great force multiplier to be had by having an
>> additional,
>>> stripped down version of the message that focuses on just the
>> technical
>>> benefits of the platform as it is being proposed. The benefits
>>> are obvious. They do not need political overtone, fear, or
>>> anarchist galvanization to stand on their own merits.
>>>>
>>>> Why wouldn't you want trustless mixing?
>>>>
>>>> Why wouldn't you want to have alternative full wallet
>> implementations
>>> free of qt and bitcoind?
>>>>
>>>> Why wouldn't you want a more distributed group of developers
>> working
>>> on Bitcoin?
>>>>
>>>> Isn't the whole point of Bitcoin to do away with single point
>>>> of failure?
>>>>
>>>> These ideas are powerful, very powerful. The work you are
>> doing IS THE
>>> REVOLUTION. The revolution does not need a trumpeter next to
>> it saying,
>>> YO DAWG THIS IS THE REVOLUTION.
>>>>
>>>> I propose, sometime in the next few weeks, before the
>> campaign ends,
>>> you run a piece entitled "Shedding Light on Dark Wallet" that
>>> just explains all the benefits that Dark Wallet can offer, in
>>> very
>> plain
>>> terms. Just a clean, well put together, article or video that
>> explains
>>> the offering you are building. Completely free of any other
>> ancillary
>>> benefit or protection this technology may offer. I think you
>> will be
>>> shocked at how well something like that will be received.
>>>>
>>>> When you have been breathing smog, oxygen needs no hype man.
>>>>
>>>> And you say you need work, not ideas. If you guys are
>> interested in
>>> putting something like that together, I would be privileged to
>> help
>>> create it and promote it. And I think it will probably shake a
>> few more
>>> talented workers out of the woodwork.
>>>>
>>>> At the end of the day, do we want...
>>>>
>>>> To say fuck the US? Or to build the tools that will protect
>> everyone
>>> from their grasp?
>>>>
>>>> To say fuck the Bitcoin Foundation? Or use them as a speed
>> bump to
>>> dance with regulators, while we build the infrastructure that
>> makes the
>>> regulators and the foundation irrelevant?
>>>>
>>>> To say this world is fucked? Or do the work that makes it
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I realize I juxtaposed "you" and "we" a lot here. That's
>> because I
>>> recognize that I have really done nothing to push this forward
>> so far,
>>> "you" have. But I feel so close to the ideal here, it's hard
>> to not see
>>> myself in it. I hope you guys will forgive me grammar
>> indiscretions. I
>>> am in awe of you all.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for what you do.
>>>>
>>>> Jason King Sean's Outpost
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Tristan Winters
>>> <tristan_winters@???
>> <mailto:tristan_winters@hotmail.com>
>> <mailto:tristan_winters@hotmail.com
>> <mailto:tristan_winters@hotmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> They are referring to this:
>>> http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
>>>>
>>>> The foundation did not get 9 million dollars. But as soon as
>>>> the above company got VC backed, they became a
>>> "Gold Member" of the foundation.
>>>> And the foundation got a large number of Bitcoins in that
>> way.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, this has clearly touched a nerve in the
>> community. The
>>> crowd-funding 24hr response shows that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:25 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>
>>> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> this article is head in the clouds laa dee da that does
>> not fit
>>> the reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> first of all bitcoin foundation should not be involved in
>>> development of
>>>>> bitcoin if that are interacting with the state. that
>> means not
>>> paying
>>>>> salaries to people who exert undue influence over the
>> protocol.
>>>>>
>>>>> if they choose to continue to be involved with bitcoin
>>> development then
>>>>> they should also support dark wallet, electrum, and
>> hive (which
>>> are now
>>>>> combining as one project pooling our efforts).
>>>>>
>>>>> if they want to be involved in development, then the
>> role should
>>> be in
>>>>> establishing a neutral space (which i have not seen be
>> done and
>>> have no
>>>>> confidence will be done). i want to see more stick.
>> I've seen
>>> some cliquey
>>>>> and sneaky behaviour coming from bitcoind devs. multiple
>>> instances of
>>>>> top-down commands (evoking that power when not
>> neccessary) or
>>> shutting
>>>>> down debate over contentious issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> twice i contacted the foundation over issues where I
>> was being
>>> unfairly
>>>>> placed at a disadvantage as a dev because of office
>> politics
>>> (being taken
>>>>> off mailing lists .etc) but they refused to intervene.
>> they are
>>> paying
>>>>> salaries of devs. I would have words if someone I was
>> working
>>> with was
>>>>> acting like a cunt.
>>>>>
>>>>> I told this to elizabeth already, and she's a force for
>> good
>>> working on
>>>>> bitcoin with pure motives.
>>>>>
>>>>> from a journalist friend of ours. he sent me this
>> yesterday:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just got a call from the bitcoin foundation. They
>> wouldn't go
>>> on the
>>>>>> record to comment on the article but just kept telling
>> me "off
>>>> the
>>>>>> record" that you lot have no credibility and that a
>> much better
>>> story is
>>>>>> some venture capitalist yesterday investing $9m in
>> bitcoin...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> can't stop laughing. ok, where is this 9 million. what
>> is it
>>> doing? i
>>>>> haven't seen any of it yet. they have all the resources,
>>> leigitimacy and
>>>>> attention but what have they done. they are lost in the
>> politics.
>>>>>
>>>>> we have donations from many, not 1 rich fascist. how
>> will this 9
>>> million
>>>>> be used. the money from the community will go far, be
>> collectively
>>>>> managed in a multisig and be used well. we don't waste
>> 9 million
>>>> on
>>>>> lawyers giving to people part of the state apparatus.
>>>>>
>>>>> why don't they go on record and back up their words?
>>>>>
>>>>> godspeed :) today we finally forced an important issue in
>>> bitcoin to the
>>>>> forefront. this is where we will make our stand for
>> freedom and
>>>> our
>>>>> values. great job cody for his mastermind work here.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The video is so fucken crazy. Thank God you're a force
>> for good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another time and place you could work for the propaganda
>>> ministry of some
>>>>>> Eastern Block country. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check this out also, it's a balanced piece doing the
>> rounds:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>> http://techliberation.com/2013/10/31/bitcoin-is-going-mainstream-here-is-why-cypherpunks-shouldnt-worry/
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:01 pm, Cody R Wilson
>> <codywilson@??? <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>
>>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to thank everyone on this list especially
>> for the
>>> tremendous
>>>>>>> response the Dark Wallet campaign received yesterday.
>> Within
>>> 24 hours we
>>>>>>> received just over 25k USD in combined contributions.
>> Share
>>> the video if
>>>>>>> you haven't already. It seems to be popularizing the
>> spirit of
>>> crypto.
>>>>>>> There is demand!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Amir Taaki
>> <genjix@??? <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>
>>> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> We're doing a crowd funding campaign for DarkWallet soon. I'm
>> looking
>>>> for any material (especially from people here) that we can
>> weave into
>>>> a tapestry of our vision and ideals.
>>>>
>>>> How we are thinking, what we are working towards, what
>> interests us, ...
>>>>
>>>> Articles, videos, images, forum posts, ... anything. We want
>>>> to present something to the people
>>>>
>>>> * It's not only about the 'black market' but tools for the
>> people, the
>>>> limitations and the monopoly of money / economy. * Tools like
>>>> DarkWallet are your own financial system, a free
>> financial
>>>> system. * It's important to talk about independence and
>>>> community
>> (organising
>>>> together). * Everything from petrol, food, computers, even our
>>>> health is manipulated. * Finance is one aspect, but we need to
>>>> take back control of more things. * Silk Road: $1.2 billion
>>>> market, 2 murders, >2 years. DPR is
>> a hero.
>>>> Compare that with something like producing rice and all the
>> people
>>>> that die. * More simply: ** Bitcoin = amazing scifi. The
>>>> blockchain is incredible. ** No technical limitations. The
>>>> limitations are human
>> limitations.
>>>> ** We will have all the tools, but we need the community. *
>>>> Bitcoin Foundation has a lot of money, all the legitimacy
>> but they do
>>>> nothing. They are lost in the politics, but aren't thinking
>> of serving
>>>> the people. * We are here now working with the future in mind.
>>>> These
>> things take
>>>> time and are slow. Maybe 5 years from now all these crazy
>> concepts
>>>> become reality. ** Bitcoin is still young. ** It's also about
>>>> the internet. ** Bitcoin is something new but immensely
>>>> powerful.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>>> -- Sincerely,
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>
>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
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