middle ground to make effective use of resources. this is the power and
> Thank you Jason, very solid argument. I'm not in favor of burning
> bridges myself; there are many great people in the foundation (eg.
> Elizabeth for one, and even Jon Matonis has publicly written articles
> praising System D on numerous occasions), and we should work with them
> to make the foundation better. I looked at the Dark Wallet thread inside
> the foundation forums, and many people are excited about it. There is
> absolutely no reason why we need to reject potential friends.
>
> I will consider writing an article myself over the next few days or
> weeks, unless someone else wishes to take this responsibility.
>
> On 11/01/2013 10:37 AM, Jason King wrote:
>> To The Crew,
>>
>> I don't get near enough time to add to the conversation here. That's
> too bad, I am so in awe of the work that is being done here and would
> love to contribute more.
>> I first want to congratulate everyone on the indiegogo campaign. The
> initial showing for the fundraiser is quite impressive. I have no doubt
> you will exceed your financial goals on this. I donated.
>>
>> But I can't help but feel you are sacrificing a much larger community
> impact by not having a more plain words description of the benefits of
> dark wallet. The video is beautiful, well constructed, and moving. It
> does exactly what it was intended to do. I was moved, I agree with it's
> message...I am also /already on this mailing list. /
>> /
>> /
>> The indiegogo campaign has 133 contributors, that is not a battalion,
> much less an army. And my feeling is that if the contributor list was
> public I would already be familiar with most of the names on the list.
> People that are already, publicly, aligned with the goals stated by this
> campaign. Dark Wallet and the other ideals championed by this group are
> important and necessary to EVERYBODY. Even the people that don't know it
> yet. And the marketing campaign, in it's current form, is not digestible
> to a large part of the community.
>>
>> Maybe that's the plan. Maybe you are trying to weed out certain
> classes. But that, seems at odds with the ideals expressed here.
>>
>> I'm not saying to stop what you are doing, at all. I'm saying I think
> there is a great force multiplier to be had by having an additional,
> stripped down version of the message that focuses on just the technical
> benefits of the platform as it is being proposed. The benefits are
> obvious. They do not need political overtone, fear, or anarchist
> galvanization to stand on their own merits.
>>
>> Why wouldn't you want trustless mixing?
>>
>> Why wouldn't you want to have alternative full wallet implementations
> free of qt and bitcoind?
>>
>> Why wouldn't you want a more distributed group of developers working
> on Bitcoin?
>>
>> Isn't the whole point of Bitcoin to do away with single point of
>> failure?
>>
>> These ideas are powerful, very powerful. The work you are doing IS THE
> REVOLUTION. The revolution does not need a trumpeter next to it saying,
> YO DAWG THIS IS THE REVOLUTION.
>>
>> I propose, sometime in the next few weeks, before the campaign ends,
> you run a piece entitled "Shedding Light on Dark Wallet" that just
> explains all the benefits that Dark Wallet can offer, in very plain
> terms. Just a clean, well put together, article or video that explains
> the offering you are building. Completely free of any other ancillary
> benefit or protection this technology may offer. I think you will be
> shocked at how well something like that will be received.
>>
>> When you have been breathing smog, oxygen needs no hype man.
>>
>> And you say you need work, not ideas. If you guys are interested in
> putting something like that together, I would be privileged to help
> create it and promote it. And I think it will probably shake a few more
> talented workers out of the woodwork.
>>
>> At the end of the day, do we want...
>>
>> To say fuck the US? Or to build the tools that will protect everyone
> from their grasp?
>>
>> To say fuck the Bitcoin Foundation? Or use them as a speed bump to
> dance with regulators, while we build the infrastructure that makes the
> regulators and the foundation irrelevant?
>>
>> To say this world is fucked? Or do the work that makes it better.
>>
>>
>> I realize I juxtaposed "you" and "we" a lot here. That's because I
> recognize that I have really done nothing to push this forward so far,
> "you" have. But I feel so close to the ideal here, it's hard to not see
> myself in it. I hope you guys will forgive me grammar indiscretions. I
> am in awe of you all.
>>
>> Thank you so much for what you do.
>>
>> Jason King
>> Sean's Outpost
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Tristan Winters
> <tristan_winters@??? <mailto:tristan_winters@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> They are referring to this:
> http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
>>
>> The foundation did not get 9 million dollars.
>> But as soon as the above company got VC backed, they became a
> "Gold Member" of the foundation.
>> And the foundation got a large number of Bitcoins in that way.
>>
>> Anyway, this has clearly touched a nerve in the community. The
> crowd-funding 24hr response shows that.
>>
>>
>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:25 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>>
>> > this article is head in the clouds laa dee da that does not fit
> the reality.
>> >
>> > first of all bitcoin foundation should not be involved in
> development of
>> > bitcoin if that are interacting with the state. that means not
> paying
>> > salaries to people who exert undue influence over the protocol.
>> >
>> > if they choose to continue to be involved with bitcoin
> development then
>> > they should also support dark wallet, electrum, and hive (which
> are now
>> > combining as one project pooling our efforts).
>> >
>> > if they want to be involved in development, then the role should
> be in
>> > establishing a neutral space (which i have not seen be done and
> have no
>> > confidence will be done). i want to see more stick. I've seen
> some cliquey
>> > and sneaky behaviour coming from bitcoind devs. multiple
> instances of
>> > top-down commands (evoking that power when not neccessary) or
> shutting
>> > down debate over contentious issues.
>> >
>> > twice i contacted the foundation over issues where I was being
> unfairly
>> > placed at a disadvantage as a dev because of office politics
> (being taken
>> > off mailing lists .etc) but they refused to intervene. they are
> paying
>> > salaries of devs. I would have words if someone I was working
> with was
>> > acting like a cunt.
>> >
>> > I told this to elizabeth already, and she's a force for good
> working on
>> > bitcoin with pure motives.
>> >
>> > from a journalist friend of ours. he sent me this yesterday:
>> >
>> >> Just got a call from the bitcoin foundation. They wouldn't go
> on the
>> >> record to comment on the article but just kept telling me "off
>> the
>> >> record" that you lot have no credibility and that a much better
> story is
>> >> some venture capitalist yesterday investing $9m in bitcoin...
>> >>
>> >
>> > can't stop laughing. ok, where is this 9 million. what is it
> doing? i
>> > haven't seen any of it yet. they have all the resources,
> leigitimacy and
>> > attention but what have they done. they are lost in the politics.
>> >
>> > we have donations from many, not 1 rich fascist. how will this 9
> million
>> > be used. the money from the community will go far, be collectively
>> > managed in a multisig and be used well. we don't waste 9 million
>> on
>> > lawyers giving to people part of the state apparatus.
>> >
>> > why don't they go on record and back up their words?
>> >
>> > godspeed :) today we finally forced an important issue in
> bitcoin to the
>> > forefront. this is where we will make our stand for freedom and
>> our
>> > values. great job cody for his mastermind work here.
>> >
>> >> The video is so fucken crazy. Thank God you're a force for good.
>> >>
>> >> Another time and place you could work for the propaganda
> ministry of some
>> >> Eastern Block country. :)
>> >>
>> >> Check this out also, it's a balanced piece doing the rounds:
>> >>
>> >>
> http://techliberation.com/2013/10/31/bitcoin-is-going-mainstream-here-is-why-cypherpunks-shouldnt-worry/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:01 pm, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???
> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'd like to thank everyone on this list especially for the
> tremendous
>> >>> response the Dark Wallet campaign received yesterday. Within
> 24 hours we
>> >>> received just over 25k USD in combined contributions. Share
> the video if
>> >>> you haven't already. It seems to be popularizing the spirit of
> crypto.
>> >>> There is demand!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> We're doing a crowd funding campaign for DarkWallet soon. I'm looking
>> for any material (especially from people here) that we can weave into
>> a tapestry of our vision and ideals.
>>
>> How we are thinking, what we are working towards, what interests us, ...
>>
>> Articles, videos, images, forum posts, ... anything. We want to
>> present something to the people
>>
>> * It's not only about the 'black market' but tools for the people, the
>> limitations and the monopoly of money / economy.
>> * Tools like DarkWallet are your own financial system, a free financial
>> system.
>> * It's important to talk about independence and community (organising
>> together).
>> * Everything from petrol, food, computers, even our health is
>> manipulated.
>> * Finance is one aspect, but we need to take back control of more
>> things.
>> * Silk Road: $1.2 billion market, 2 murders, >2 years. DPR is a hero.
>> Compare that with something like producing rice and all the people
>> that die.
>> * More simply:
>> ** Bitcoin = amazing scifi. The blockchain is incredible.
>> ** No technical limitations. The limitations are human limitations.
>> ** We will have all the tools, but we need the community.
>> * Bitcoin Foundation has a lot of money, all the legitimacy but they do
>> nothing. They are lost in the politics, but aren't thinking of serving
>> the people.
>> * We are here now working with the future in mind. These things take
>> time and are slow. Maybe 5 years from now all these crazy concepts
>> become reality.
>> ** Bitcoin is still young.
>> ** It's also about the internet.
>> ** Bitcoin is something new but immensely powerful.
>>
>>
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>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Sincerely,
>> >>>
>> >>> Cody R. Wilson
>> >>> codywilson@??? <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>
>> >>>
>> >>> The University of Texas School of Law
>> >>> Class of 2014
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