All,
I wanted to say that I am very impressed with the spirit of what you are trying to achieve with DarkWallet and your list of ambitions sounds much like what we are trying to do with Keyhotee. I have a lot of respect for this team and the political philosophy of finding freedom through innovation rather than protest, lobby, or violence.
I have long held that I want the best possible technology to be developed to secure the life, liberty, and property for all as the mission is more important than the vehicle used to achieve it. I would be very happy to work with everyone here and combine our resources where possible to make this a reality.
For those that don't know Keyhotee is working toward the following goals:
1) Decentralized Identity - Blockchain + Web of Trust
2) Easy to use BitMessage that Scales
3) Multi-Currency Wallet with far more privacy than existing bitcoin clients features that also supports 'emailing money'.
4) Decentralized Bank & Exchange
5) Decentralized Auction based DNS system.
As you can see the feature set we have been building into Keyhotee is highly aligned with DarkWallet! I would love to achieve interoperability and coordinate with you all to build the best solutions.
Here's to the crazy ones!
Dan
CEO - Invictus Innovations
http://invictus-innovations.com
On Nov 1, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Elizabeth Ploshay <elizabeth@???> wrote:
> Cody,
>
> An open letter would be great. Feel free to share a google doc with Mihai, Vitalik and myself.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I'm willing to write a longer piece for the magazine, an open letter, anything if that is what is called for. I know darkwallet.unsystem.net has more direct criticism, but the message in my video toward the foundation is toward a particular way of thinking- one featuring our old friend ideology.
>>
>> In talking about the foundation I visuals from Orson Welle's film adaption of Kafka's The Trial. Joseph K's chief naivete throughout his engagement with the state is his sense that he can both make a clear account of himself and his life and resolve his situation in a way that the process would understand as resolved.
>>
>> The beautiful and terrible irony is that it is K's earnest participation that renders him a more visible subject of power. No account matters. It is the cooperation, the desire for discipline, that leads to his execution.
>>
>> In this way I believe the video is gentle and honest in its criticism. Asking for permission from and trying to explain yourself to the legacy powers has only one end.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>> Vitalik, this is the story we need to get out:
>>
>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=322483
>>
>> one of cooperation and mutual solidarity between competitors finding
>> middle ground to make effective use of resources. this is the power and
>> beauty of openness.
>>
>> > Thank you Jason, very solid argument. I'm not in favor of burning
>> > bridges myself; there are many great people in the foundation (eg.
>> > Elizabeth for one, and even Jon Matonis has publicly written articles
>> > praising System D on numerous occasions), and we should work with them
>> > to make the foundation better. I looked at the Dark Wallet thread inside
>> > the foundation forums, and many people are excited about it. There is
>> > absolutely no reason why we need to reject potential friends.
>> >
>> > I will consider writing an article myself over the next few days or
>> > weeks, unless someone else wishes to take this responsibility.
>> >
>> > On 11/01/2013 10:37 AM, Jason King wrote:
>> >> To The Crew,
>> >>
>> >> I don't get near enough time to add to the conversation here. That's
>> > too bad, I am so in awe of the work that is being done here and would
>> > love to contribute more.
>> >> I first want to congratulate everyone on the indiegogo campaign. The
>> > initial showing for the fundraiser is quite impressive. I have no doubt
>> > you will exceed your financial goals on this. I donated.
>> >>
>> >> But I can't help but feel you are sacrificing a much larger community
>> > impact by not having a more plain words description of the benefits of
>> > dark wallet. The video is beautiful, well constructed, and moving. It
>> > does exactly what it was intended to do. I was moved, I agree with it's
>> > message...I am also /already on this mailing list. /
>> >> /
>> >> /
>> >> The indiegogo campaign has 133 contributors, that is not a battalion,
>> > much less an army. And my feeling is that if the contributor list was
>> > public I would already be familiar with most of the names on the list.
>> > People that are already, publicly, aligned with the goals stated by this
>> > campaign. Dark Wallet and the other ideals championed by this group are
>> > important and necessary to EVERYBODY. Even the people that don't know it
>> > yet. And the marketing campaign, in it's current form, is not digestible
>> > to a large part of the community.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe that's the plan. Maybe you are trying to weed out certain
>> > classes. But that, seems at odds with the ideals expressed here.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not saying to stop what you are doing, at all. I'm saying I think
>> > there is a great force multiplier to be had by having an additional,
>> > stripped down version of the message that focuses on just the technical
>> > benefits of the platform as it is being proposed. The benefits are
>> > obvious. They do not need political overtone, fear, or anarchist
>> > galvanization to stand on their own merits.
>> >>
>> >> Why wouldn't you want trustless mixing?
>> >>
>> >> Why wouldn't you want to have alternative full wallet implementations
>> > free of qt and bitcoind?
>> >>
>> >> Why wouldn't you want a more distributed group of developers working
>> > on Bitcoin?
>> >>
>> >> Isn't the whole point of Bitcoin to do away with single point of
>> >> failure?
>> >>
>> >> These ideas are powerful, very powerful. The work you are doing IS THE
>> > REVOLUTION. The revolution does not need a trumpeter next to it saying,
>> > YO DAWG THIS IS THE REVOLUTION.
>> >>
>> >> I propose, sometime in the next few weeks, before the campaign ends,
>> > you run a piece entitled "Shedding Light on Dark Wallet" that just
>> > explains all the benefits that Dark Wallet can offer, in very plain
>> > terms. Just a clean, well put together, article or video that explains
>> > the offering you are building. Completely free of any other ancillary
>> > benefit or protection this technology may offer. I think you will be
>> > shocked at how well something like that will be received.
>> >>
>> >> When you have been breathing smog, oxygen needs no hype man.
>> >>
>> >> And you say you need work, not ideas. If you guys are interested in
>> > putting something like that together, I would be privileged to help
>> > create it and promote it. And I think it will probably shake a few more
>> > talented workers out of the woodwork.
>> >>
>> >> At the end of the day, do we want...
>> >>
>> >> To say fuck the US? Or to build the tools that will protect everyone
>> > from their grasp?
>> >>
>> >> To say fuck the Bitcoin Foundation? Or use them as a speed bump to
>> > dance with regulators, while we build the infrastructure that makes the
>> > regulators and the foundation irrelevant?
>> >>
>> >> To say this world is fucked? Or do the work that makes it better.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I realize I juxtaposed "you" and "we" a lot here. That's because I
>> > recognize that I have really done nothing to push this forward so far,
>> > "you" have. But I feel so close to the ideal here, it's hard to not see
>> > myself in it. I hope you guys will forgive me grammar indiscretions. I
>> > am in awe of you all.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you so much for what you do.
>> >>
>> >> Jason King
>> >> Sean's Outpost
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Tristan Winters
>> > <tristan_winters@??? <mailto:tristan_winters@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> They are referring to this:
>> > http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
>> >>
>> >> The foundation did not get 9 million dollars.
>> >> But as soon as the above company got VC backed, they became a
>> > "Gold Member" of the foundation.
>> >> And the foundation got a large number of Bitcoins in that way.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, this has clearly touched a nerve in the community. The
>> > crowd-funding 24hr response shows that.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:25 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>> > <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > this article is head in the clouds laa dee da that does not fit
>> > the reality.
>> >> >
>> >> > first of all bitcoin foundation should not be involved in
>> > development of
>> >> > bitcoin if that are interacting with the state. that means not
>> > paying
>> >> > salaries to people who exert undue influence over the protocol.
>> >> >
>> >> > if they choose to continue to be involved with bitcoin
>> > development then
>> >> > they should also support dark wallet, electrum, and hive (which
>> > are now
>> >> > combining as one project pooling our efforts).
>> >> >
>> >> > if they want to be involved in development, then the role should
>> > be in
>> >> > establishing a neutral space (which i have not seen be done and
>> > have no
>> >> > confidence will be done). i want to see more stick. I've seen
>> > some cliquey
>> >> > and sneaky behaviour coming from bitcoind devs. multiple
>> > instances of
>> >> > top-down commands (evoking that power when not neccessary) or
>> > shutting
>> >> > down debate over contentious issues.
>> >> >
>> >> > twice i contacted the foundation over issues where I was being
>> > unfairly
>> >> > placed at a disadvantage as a dev because of office politics
>> > (being taken
>> >> > off mailing lists .etc) but they refused to intervene. they are
>> > paying
>> >> > salaries of devs. I would have words if someone I was working
>> > with was
>> >> > acting like a cunt.
>> >> >
>> >> > I told this to elizabeth already, and she's a force for good
>> > working on
>> >> > bitcoin with pure motives.
>> >> >
>> >> > from a journalist friend of ours. he sent me this yesterday:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Just got a call from the bitcoin foundation. They wouldn't go
>> > on the
>> >> >> record to comment on the article but just kept telling me "off
>> >> the
>> >> >> record" that you lot have no credibility and that a much better
>> > story is
>> >> >> some venture capitalist yesterday investing $9m in bitcoin...
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > can't stop laughing. ok, where is this 9 million. what is it
>> > doing? i
>> >> > haven't seen any of it yet. they have all the resources,
>> > leigitimacy and
>> >> > attention but what have they done. they are lost in the politics.
>> >> >
>> >> > we have donations from many, not 1 rich fascist. how will this 9
>> > million
>> >> > be used. the money from the community will go far, be collectively
>> >> > managed in a multisig and be used well. we don't waste 9 million
>> >> on
>> >> > lawyers giving to people part of the state apparatus.
>> >> >
>> >> > why don't they go on record and back up their words?
>> >> >
>> >> > godspeed :) today we finally forced an important issue in
>> > bitcoin to the
>> >> > forefront. this is where we will make our stand for freedom and
>> >> our
>> >> > values. great job cody for his mastermind work here.
>> >> >
>> >> >> The video is so fucken crazy. Thank God you're a force for good.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Another time and place you could work for the propaganda
>> > ministry of some
>> >> >> Eastern Block country. :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Check this out also, it's a balanced piece doing the rounds:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> > http://techliberation.com/2013/10/31/bitcoin-is-going-mainstream-here-is-why-cypherpunks-shouldnt-worry/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:01 pm, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???
>> > <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> I'd like to thank everyone on this list especially for the
>> > tremendous
>> >> >>> response the Dark Wallet campaign received yesterday. Within
>> > 24 hours we
>> >> >>> received just over 25k USD in combined contributions. Share
>> > the video if
>> >> >>> you haven't already. It seems to be popularizing the spirit of
>> > crypto.
>> >> >>> There is demand!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>> > <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>> >> Hi!
>> >>
>> >> We're doing a crowd funding campaign for DarkWallet soon. I'm looking
>> >> for any material (especially from people here) that we can weave into
>> >> a tapestry of our vision and ideals.
>> >>
>> >> How we are thinking, what we are working towards, what interests us, ...
>> >>
>> >> Articles, videos, images, forum posts, ... anything. We want to
>> >> present something to the people
>> >>
>> >> * It's not only about the 'black market' but tools for the people, the
>> >> limitations and the monopoly of money / economy.
>> >> * Tools like DarkWallet are your own financial system, a free financial
>> >> system.
>> >> * It's important to talk about independence and community (organising
>> >> together).
>> >> * Everything from petrol, food, computers, even our health is
>> >> manipulated.
>> >> * Finance is one aspect, but we need to take back control of more
>> >> things.
>> >> * Silk Road: $1.2 billion market, 2 murders, >2 years. DPR is a hero.
>> >> Compare that with something like producing rice and all the people
>> >> that die.
>> >> * More simply:
>> >> ** Bitcoin = amazing scifi. The blockchain is incredible.
>> >> ** No technical limitations. The limitations are human limitations.
>> >> ** We will have all the tools, but we need the community.
>> >> * Bitcoin Foundation has a lot of money, all the legitimacy but they do
>> >> nothing. They are lost in the politics, but aren't thinking of serving
>> >> the people.
>> >> * We are here now working with the future in mind. These things take
>> >> time and are slow. Maybe 5 years from now all these crazy concepts
>> >> become reality.
>> >> ** Bitcoin is still young.
>> >> ** It's also about the internet.
>> >> ** Bitcoin is something new but immensely powerful.
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Sincerely,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Cody R. Wilson
>> >> >>> codywilson@??? <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>
>> >> >>>
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