> Cool, that is exactly the message that was broadcast.
> On Nov 1, 2013 10:14 AM, "jamileh s.t." <xiaziyna@???> wrote:
>
>> i don't think the presentation of ideas or political ideals was at all
>> extreme. its far more important that the cypherpunks have strong wires
>> between themselves. people should really be funding is those ideals, the
>> software is just computational crutches for implementation of ideals.
>>
>>
>> On 1 November 2013 15:00, Elizabeth Ploshay <
>> elizabeth@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Jason and Vitalik,
>>>
>>> Great points there. I definitely appreciate this project and there is
>>> much the Foundation must learn.
>>>
>>> I look forward to working with Vitalik to do a BM article.
>>>
>>> Additionally, keep up the good work on the foundation forum. IMO the
>>> goal should be to continue to spread the truth before burning bridges.
>>>
>>> -Elizabeth
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Vitalik Buterin <vbuterin@???> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Jason, very solid argument. I'm not in favor of burning
>>> bridges myself; there are many great people in the foundation (eg.
>>> Elizabeth for one, and even Jon Matonis has publicly written articles
>>> praising System D on numerous occasions), and we should work with them to
>>> make the foundation better. I looked at the Dark Wallet thread inside the
>>> foundation forums, and many people are excited about it. There is
>>> absolutely no reason why we need to reject potential friends.
>>>
>>> I will consider writing an article myself over the next few days or
>>> weeks, unless someone else wishes to take this responsibility.
>>>
>>> On 11/01/2013 10:37 AM, Jason King wrote:
>>> > To The Crew,
>>> >
>>> > I don't get near enough time to add to the conversation here. That's
>>> too bad, I am so in awe of the work that is being done here and would love
>>> to contribute more.
>>> > I first want to congratulate everyone on the indiegogo campaign. The
>>> initial showing for the fundraiser is quite impressive. I have no doubt you
>>> will exceed your financial goals on this. I donated.
>>> >
>>> > But I can't help but feel you are sacrificing a much larger community
>>> impact by not having a more plain words description of the benefits of dark
>>> wallet. The video is beautiful, well constructed, and moving. It does
>>> exactly what it was intended to do. I was moved, I agree with it's
>>> message...I am also /already on this mailing list. /
>>> > /
>>> > /
>>> > The indiegogo campaign has 133 contributors, that is not a battalion,
>>> much less an army. And my feeling is that if the contributor list was
>>> public I would already be familiar with most of the names on the list.
>>> People that are already, publicly, aligned with the goals stated by this
>>> campaign. Dark Wallet and the other ideals championed by this group are
>>> important and necessary to EVERYBODY. Even the people that don't know it
>>> yet. And the marketing campaign, in it's current form, is not digestible to
>>> a large part of the community.
>>> >
>>> > Maybe that's the plan. Maybe you are trying to weed out certain
>>> classes. But that, seems at odds with the ideals expressed here.
>>> >
>>> > I'm not saying to stop what you are doing, at all. I'm saying I think
>>> there is a great force multiplier to be had by having an additional,
>>> stripped down version of the message that focuses on just the technical
>>> benefits of the platform as it is being proposed. The benefits are obvious.
>>> They do not need political overtone, fear, or anarchist galvanization to
>>> stand on their own merits.
>>> >
>>> > Why wouldn't you want trustless mixing?
>>> >
>>> > Why wouldn't you want to have alternative full wallet implementations
>>> free of qt and bitcoind?
>>> >
>>> > Why wouldn't you want a more distributed group of developers working
>>> on Bitcoin?
>>> >
>>> > Isn't the whole point of Bitcoin to do away with single point of
>>> failure?
>>> >
>>> > These ideas are powerful, very powerful. The work you are doing IS THE
>>> REVOLUTION. The revolution does not need a trumpeter next to it saying, YO
>>> DAWG THIS IS THE REVOLUTION.
>>> >
>>> > I propose, sometime in the next few weeks, before the campaign ends,
>>> you run a piece entitled "Shedding Light on Dark Wallet" that just explains
>>> all the benefits that Dark Wallet can offer, in very plain terms. Just a
>>> clean, well put together, article or video that explains the offering you
>>> are building. Completely free of any other ancillary benefit or protection
>>> this technology may offer. I think you will be shocked at how well
>>> something like that will be received.
>>> >
>>> > When you have been breathing smog, oxygen needs no hype man.
>>> >
>>> > And you say you need work, not ideas. If you guys are interested in
>>> putting something like that together, I would be privileged to help create
>>> it and promote it. And I think it will probably shake a few more talented
>>> workers out of the woodwork.
>>> >
>>> > At the end of the day, do we want...
>>> >
>>> > To say fuck the US? Or to build the tools that will protect everyone
>>> from their grasp?
>>> >
>>> > To say fuck the Bitcoin Foundation? Or use them as a speed bump to
>>> dance with regulators, while we build the infrastructure that makes the
>>> regulators and the foundation irrelevant?
>>> >
>>> > To say this world is fucked? Or do the work that makes it better.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I realize I juxtaposed "you" and "we" a lot here. That's because I
>>> recognize that I have really done nothing to push this forward so far,
>>> "you" have. But I feel so close to the ideal here, it's hard to not see
>>> myself in it. I hope you guys will forgive me grammar indiscretions. I am
>>> in awe of you all.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you so much for what you do.
>>> >
>>> > Jason King
>>> > Sean's Outpost
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Tristan Winters <
>>> tristan_winters@??? <mailto:tristan_winters@hotmail.com><tristan_winters@???>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > They are referring to this:
>>> http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
>>> >
>>> > The foundation did not get 9 million dollars.
>>> > But as soon as the above company got VC backed, they became a
>>> “Gold Member” of the foundation.
>>> > And the foundation got a large number of Bitcoins in that way.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, this has clearly touched a nerve in the community. The
>>> crowd-funding 24hr response shows that.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:25 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>>> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net> <genjix@???>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > this article is head in the clouds laa dee da that does not fit
>>> the reality.
>>> > >
>>> > > first of all bitcoin foundation should not be involved in
>>> development of
>>> > > bitcoin if that are interacting with the state. that means not
>>> paying
>>> > > salaries to people who exert undue influence over the protocol.
>>> > >
>>> > > if they choose to continue to be involved with bitcoin
>>> development then
>>> > > they should also support dark wallet, electrum, and hive (which
>>> are now
>>> > > combining as one project pooling our efforts).
>>> > >
>>> > > if they want to be involved in development, then the role should
>>> be in
>>> > > establishing a neutral space (which i have not seen be done and
>>> have no
>>> > > confidence will be done). i want to see more stick. I've seen
>>> some cliquey
>>> > > and sneaky behaviour coming from bitcoind devs. multiple
>>> instances of
>>> > > top-down commands (evoking that power when not neccessary) or
>>> shutting
>>> > > down debate over contentious issues.
>>> > >
>>> > > twice i contacted the foundation over issues where I was being
>>> unfairly
>>> > > placed at a disadvantage as a dev because of office politics
>>> (being taken
>>> > > off mailing lists .etc) but they refused to intervene. they are
>>> paying
>>> > > salaries of devs. I would have words if someone I was working
>>> with was
>>> > > acting like a cunt.
>>> > >
>>> > > I told this to elizabeth already, and she's a force for good
>>> working on
>>> > > bitcoin with pure motives.
>>> > >
>>> > > from a journalist friend of ours. he sent me this yesterday:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Just got a call from the bitcoin foundation. They wouldn't go
>>> on the
>>> > >> record to comment on the article but just kept telling me "off
>>> the
>>> > >> record" that you lot have no credibility and that a much better
>>> story is
>>> > >> some venture capitalist yesterday investing $9m in bitcoin...
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > > can't stop laughing. ok, where is this 9 million. what is it
>>> doing? i
>>> > > haven't seen any of it yet. they have all the resources,
>>> leigitimacy and
>>> > > attention but what have they done. they are lost in the politics.
>>> > >
>>> > > we have donations from many, not 1 rich fascist. how will this 9
>>> million
>>> > > be used. the money from the community will go far, be
>>> collectively
>>> > > managed in a multisig and be used well. we don't waste 9 million
>>> on
>>> > > lawyers giving to people part of the state apparatus.
>>> > >
>>> > > why don't they go on record and back up their words?
>>> > >
>>> > > godspeed :) today we finally forced an important issue in
>>> bitcoin to the
>>> > > forefront. this is where we will make our stand for freedom and
>>> our
>>> > > values. great job cody for his mastermind work here.
>>> > >
>>> > >> The video is so fucken crazy. Thank God you’re a force for good.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Another time and place you could work for the propaganda
>>> ministry of some
>>> > >> Eastern Block country. :)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Check this out also, it’s a balanced piece doing the rounds:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> http://techliberation.com/2013/10/31/bitcoin-is-going-mainstream-here-is-why-cypherpunks-shouldnt-worry/
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:01 pm, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???
>>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu> <codywilson@???>> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> I'd like to thank everyone on this list especially for the
>>> tremendous
>>> > >>> response the Dark Wallet campaign received yesterday. Within
>>> 24 hours we
>>> > >>> received just over 25k USD in combined contributions. Share
>>> the video if
>>> > >>> you haven't already. It seems to be popularizing the spirit of
>>> crypto.
>>> > >>> There is demand!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>>> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net> <genjix@???>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> We're doing a crowd funding campaign for DarkWallet soon. I'm looking
>>> for any material (especially from people here) that we can weave into
>>> a tapestry of our vision and ideals.
>>>
>>> How we are thinking, what we are working towards, what interests us, ...
>>>
>>> Articles, videos, images, forum posts, ... anything. We want to
>>> present something to the people
>>>
>>> * It's not only about the 'black market' but tools for the people, the
>>> limitations and the monopoly of money / economy.
>>> * Tools like DarkWallet are your own financial system, a free financial
>>> system.
>>> * It's important to talk about independence and community (organising
>>> together).
>>> * Everything from petrol, food, computers, even our health is
>>> manipulated.
>>> * Finance is one aspect, but we need to take back control of more
>>> things.
>>> * Silk Road: $1.2 billion market, 2 murders, >2 years. DPR is a hero.
>>> Compare that with something like producing rice and all the people
>>> that die.
>>> * More simply:
>>> ** Bitcoin = amazing scifi. The blockchain is incredible.
>>> ** No technical limitations. The limitations are human limitations.
>>> ** We will have all the tools, but we need the community.
>>> * Bitcoin Foun
>>>
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