> i don't think the presentation of ideas or political ideals was at all
> extreme. its far more important that the cypherpunks have strong wires
> between themselves. people should really be funding is those ideals, the
> software is just computational crutches for implementation of ideals.
>
>
> On 1 November 2013 15:00, Elizabeth Ploshay <elizabeth@???
> > wrote:
>
>> Jason and Vitalik,
>>
>> Great points there. I definitely appreciate this project and there is
>> much the Foundation must learn.
>>
>> I look forward to working with Vitalik to do a BM article.
>>
>> Additionally, keep up the good work on the foundation forum. IMO the goal
>> should be to continue to spread the truth before burning bridges.
>>
>> -Elizabeth
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Vitalik Buterin <vbuterin@???> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Jason, very solid argument. I'm not in favor of burning bridges
>> myself; there are many great people in the foundation (eg. Elizabeth for
>> one, and even Jon Matonis has publicly written articles praising System D
>> on numerous occasions), and we should work with them to make the foundation
>> better. I looked at the Dark Wallet thread inside the foundation forums,
>> and many people are excited about it. There is absolutely no reason why we
>> need to reject potential friends.
>>
>> I will consider writing an article myself over the next few days or
>> weeks, unless someone else wishes to take this responsibility.
>>
>> On 11/01/2013 10:37 AM, Jason King wrote:
>> > To The Crew,
>> >
>> > I don't get near enough time to add to the conversation here. That's
>> too bad, I am so in awe of the work that is being done here and would love
>> to contribute more.
>> > I first want to congratulate everyone on the indiegogo campaign. The
>> initial showing for the fundraiser is quite impressive. I have no doubt you
>> will exceed your financial goals on this. I donated.
>> >
>> > But I can't help but feel you are sacrificing a much larger community
>> impact by not having a more plain words description of the benefits of dark
>> wallet. The video is beautiful, well constructed, and moving. It does
>> exactly what it was intended to do. I was moved, I agree with it's
>> message...I am also /already on this mailing list. /
>> > /
>> > /
>> > The indiegogo campaign has 133 contributors, that is not a battalion,
>> much less an army. And my feeling is that if the contributor list was
>> public I would already be familiar with most of the names on the list.
>> People that are already, publicly, aligned with the goals stated by this
>> campaign. Dark Wallet and the other ideals championed by this group are
>> important and necessary to EVERYBODY. Even the people that don't know it
>> yet. And the marketing campaign, in it's current form, is not digestible to
>> a large part of the community.
>> >
>> > Maybe that's the plan. Maybe you are trying to weed out certain
>> classes. But that, seems at odds with the ideals expressed here.
>> >
>> > I'm not saying to stop what you are doing, at all. I'm saying I think
>> there is a great force multiplier to be had by having an additional,
>> stripped down version of the message that focuses on just the technical
>> benefits of the platform as it is being proposed. The benefits are obvious.
>> They do not need political overtone, fear, or anarchist galvanization to
>> stand on their own merits.
>> >
>> > Why wouldn't you want trustless mixing?
>> >
>> > Why wouldn't you want to have alternative full wallet implementations
>> free of qt and bitcoind?
>> >
>> > Why wouldn't you want a more distributed group of developers working on
>> Bitcoin?
>> >
>> > Isn't the whole point of Bitcoin to do away with single point of
>> failure?
>> >
>> > These ideas are powerful, very powerful. The work you are doing IS THE
>> REVOLUTION. The revolution does not need a trumpeter next to it saying, YO
>> DAWG THIS IS THE REVOLUTION.
>> >
>> > I propose, sometime in the next few weeks, before the campaign ends,
>> you run a piece entitled "Shedding Light on Dark Wallet" that just explains
>> all the benefits that Dark Wallet can offer, in very plain terms. Just a
>> clean, well put together, article or video that explains the offering you
>> are building. Completely free of any other ancillary benefit or protection
>> this technology may offer. I think you will be shocked at how well
>> something like that will be received.
>> >
>> > When you have been breathing smog, oxygen needs no hype man.
>> >
>> > And you say you need work, not ideas. If you guys are interested in
>> putting something like that together, I would be privileged to help create
>> it and promote it. And I think it will probably shake a few more talented
>> workers out of the woodwork.
>> >
>> > At the end of the day, do we want...
>> >
>> > To say fuck the US? Or to build the tools that will protect everyone
>> from their grasp?
>> >
>> > To say fuck the Bitcoin Foundation? Or use them as a speed bump to
>> dance with regulators, while we build the infrastructure that makes the
>> regulators and the foundation irrelevant?
>> >
>> > To say this world is fucked? Or do the work that makes it better.
>> >
>> >
>> > I realize I juxtaposed "you" and "we" a lot here. That's because I
>> recognize that I have really done nothing to push this forward so far,
>> "you" have. But I feel so close to the ideal here, it's hard to not see
>> myself in it. I hope you guys will forgive me grammar indiscretions. I am
>> in awe of you all.
>> >
>> > Thank you so much for what you do.
>> >
>> > Jason King
>> > Sean's Outpost
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Tristan Winters <
>> tristan_winters@??? <mailto:tristan_winters@hotmail.com><tristan_winters@???>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > They are referring to this:
>> http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
>> >
>> > The foundation did not get 9 million dollars.
>> > But as soon as the above company got VC backed, they became a “Gold
>> Member” of the foundation.
>> > And the foundation got a large number of Bitcoins in that way.
>> >
>> > Anyway, this has clearly touched a nerve in the community. The
>> crowd-funding 24hr response shows that.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:25 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net> <genjix@???>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > this article is head in the clouds laa dee da that does not fit
>> the reality.
>> > >
>> > > first of all bitcoin foundation should not be involved in
>> development of
>> > > bitcoin if that are interacting with the state. that means not
>> paying
>> > > salaries to people who exert undue influence over the protocol.
>> > >
>> > > if they choose to continue to be involved with bitcoin
>> development then
>> > > they should also support dark wallet, electrum, and hive (which
>> are now
>> > > combining as one project pooling our efforts).
>> > >
>> > > if they want to be involved in development, then the role should
>> be in
>> > > establishing a neutral space (which i have not seen be done and
>> have no
>> > > confidence will be done). i want to see more stick. I've seen
>> some cliquey
>> > > and sneaky behaviour coming from bitcoind devs. multiple
>> instances of
>> > > top-down commands (evoking that power when not neccessary) or
>> shutting
>> > > down debate over contentious issues.
>> > >
>> > > twice i contacted the foundation over issues where I was being
>> unfairly
>> > > placed at a disadvantage as a dev because of office politics
>> (being taken
>> > > off mailing lists .etc) but they refused to intervene. they are
>> paying
>> > > salaries of devs. I would have words if someone I was working
>> with was
>> > > acting like a cunt.
>> > >
>> > > I told this to elizabeth already, and she's a force for good
>> working on
>> > > bitcoin with pure motives.
>> > >
>> > > from a journalist friend of ours. he sent me this yesterday:
>> > >
>> > >> Just got a call from the bitcoin foundation. They wouldn't go on
>> the
>> > >> record to comment on the article but just kept telling me "off
>> the
>> > >> record" that you lot have no credibility and that a much better
>> story is
>> > >> some venture capitalist yesterday investing $9m in bitcoin...
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > can't stop laughing. ok, where is this 9 million. what is it
>> doing? i
>> > > haven't seen any of it yet. they have all the resources,
>> leigitimacy and
>> > > attention but what have they done. they are lost in the politics.
>> > >
>> > > we have donations from many, not 1 rich fascist. how will this 9
>> million
>> > > be used. the money from the community will go far, be collectively
>> > > managed in a multisig and be used well. we don't waste 9 million
>> on
>> > > lawyers giving to people part of the state apparatus.
>> > >
>> > > why don't they go on record and back up their words?
>> > >
>> > > godspeed :) today we finally forced an important issue in bitcoin
>> to the
>> > > forefront. this is where we will make our stand for freedom and
>> our
>> > > values. great job cody for his mastermind work here.
>> > >
>> > >> The video is so fucken crazy. Thank God you’re a force for good.
>> > >>
>> > >> Another time and place you could work for the propaganda
>> ministry of some
>> > >> Eastern Block country. :)
>> > >>
>> > >> Check this out also, it’s a balanced piece doing the rounds:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> http://techliberation.com/2013/10/31/bitcoin-is-going-mainstream-here-is-why-cypherpunks-shouldnt-worry/
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:01 pm, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???
>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu> <codywilson@???>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> I'd like to thank everyone on this list especially for the
>> tremendous
>> > >>> response the Dark Wallet campaign received yesterday. Within 24
>> hours we
>> > >>> received just over 25k USD in combined contributions. Share the
>> video if
>> > >>> you haven't already. It seems to be popularizing the spirit of
>> crypto.
>> > >>> There is demand!
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net> <genjix@???>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> We're doing a crowd funding campaign for DarkWallet soon. I'm looking
>> for any material (especially from people here) that we can weave into
>> a tapestry of our vision and ideals.
>>
>> How we are thinking, what we are working towards, what interests us, ...
>>
>> Articles, videos, images, forum posts, ... anything. We want to
>> present something to the people
>>
>> * It's not only about the 'black market' but tools for the people, the
>> limitations and the monopoly of money / economy.
>> * Tools like DarkWallet are your own financial system, a free financial
>> system.
>> * It's important to talk about independence and community (organising
>> together).
>> * Everything from petrol, food, computers, even our health is
>> manipulated.
>> * Finance is one aspect, but we need to take back control of more
>> things.
>> * Silk Road: $1.2 billion market, 2 murders, >2 years. DPR is a hero.
>> Compare that with something like producing rice and all the people
>> that die.
>> * More simply:
>> ** Bitcoin = amazing scifi. The blockchain is incredible.
>> ** No technical limitations. The limitations are human limitations.
>> ** We will have all the tools, but we need the community.
>> * Bitcoin Foun
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