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They are referring to this: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

The foundation did not get 9 million dollars.
But as soon as the above company got VC backed, they became a “Gold Member” of the foundation.
And the foundation got a large number of Bitcoins in that way.

Anyway, this has clearly touched a nerve in the community. The crowd-funding 24hr response shows that.


On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:25 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:

> this article is head in the clouds laa dee da that does not fit the reality.
>
> first of all bitcoin foundation should not be involved in development of
> bitcoin if that are interacting with the state. that means not paying
> salaries to people who exert undue influence over the protocol.
>
> if they choose to continue to be involved with bitcoin development then
> they should also support dark wallet, electrum, and hive (which are now
> combining as one project pooling our efforts).
>
> if they want to be involved in development, then the role should be in
> establishing a neutral space (which i have not seen be done and have no
> confidence will be done). i want to see more stick. I've seen some cliquey
> and sneaky behaviour coming from bitcoind devs. multiple instances of
> top-down commands (evoking that power when not neccessary) or shutting
> down debate over contentious issues.
>
> twice i contacted the foundation over issues where I was being unfairly
> placed at a disadvantage as a dev because of office politics (being taken
> off mailing lists .etc) but they refused to intervene. they are paying
> salaries of devs. I would have words if someone I was working with was
> acting like a cunt.
>
> I told this to elizabeth already, and she's a force for good working on
> bitcoin with pure motives.
>
> from a journalist friend of ours. he sent me this yesterday:
>
>> Just got a call from the bitcoin foundation. They wouldn't go on the
>> record to comment on the article but just kept telling me "off the
>> record" that you lot have no credibility and that a much better story is
>> some venture capitalist yesterday investing $9m in bitcoin...
>>
>
> can't stop laughing. ok, where is this 9 million. what is it doing? i
> haven't seen any of it yet. they have all the resources, leigitimacy and
> attention but what have they done. they are lost in the politics.
>
> we have donations from many, not 1 rich fascist. how will this 9 million
> be used. the money from the community will go far, be collectively
> managed in a multisig and be used well. we don't waste 9 million on
> lawyers giving to people part of the state apparatus.
>
> why don't they go on record and back up their words?
>
> godspeed :) today we finally forced an important issue in bitcoin to the
> forefront. this is where we will make our stand for freedom and our
> values. great job cody for his mastermind work here.
>
>> The video is so fucken crazy. Thank God you’re a force for good.
>>
>> Another time and place you could work for the propaganda ministry of some
>> Eastern Block country. :)
>>
>> Check this out also, it’s a balanced piece doing the rounds:
>>
>> http://techliberation.com/2013/10/31/bitcoin-is-going-mainstream-here-is-why-cypherpunks-shouldnt-worry/
>>
>>
>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:01 pm, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to thank everyone on this list especially for the tremendous
>>> response the Dark Wallet campaign received yesterday. Within 24 hours we
>>> received just over 25k USD in combined contributions. Share the video if
>>> you haven't already. It seems to be popularizing the spirit of crypto.
>>> There is demand!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> We're doing a crowd funding campaign for DarkWallet soon. I'm looking
>>> for any material (especially from people here) that we can weave into
>>> a tapestry of our vision and ideals.
>>>
>>> How we are thinking, what we are working towards, what interests us, ...
>>>
>>> Articles, videos, images, forum posts, ... anything. We want to
>>> present something to the people
>>>
>>> * It's not only about the 'black market' but tools for the people, the
>>> limitations and the monopoly of money / economy.
>>> * Tools like DarkWallet are your own financial system, a free financial
>>> system.
>>> * It's important to talk about independence and community (organising
>>> together).
>>> * Everything from petrol, food, computers, even our health is
>>> manipulated.
>>> * Finance is one aspect, but we need to take back control of more
>>> things.
>>> * Silk Road: $1.2 billion market, 2 murders, >2 years. DPR is a hero.
>>> Compare that with something like producing rice and all the people
>>> that die.
>>> * More simply:
>>> ** Bitcoin = amazing scifi. The blockchain is incredible.
>>> ** No technical limitations. The limitations are human limitations.
>>> ** We will have all the tools, but we need the community.
>>> * Bitcoin Foundation has a lot of money, all the legitimacy but they do
>>> nothing. They are lost in the politics, but aren't thinking of serving
>>> the people.
>>> * We are here now working with the future in mind. These things take
>>> time and are slow. Maybe 5 years from now all these crazy concepts
>>> become reality.
>>> ** Bitcoin is still young.
>>> ** It's also about the internet.
>>> ** Bitcoin is something new but immensely powerful.
>>>
>>>
>>> - --
>>> Abolish the NSA
>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Cody R. Wilson
>>> codywilson@???
>>>
>>> The University of Texas School of Law
>>> Class of 2014
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