That last block of text pretty much sums it up then, I can't really find
much related to bitcoin that goes in depth about it's neutrality.

Look up anything about the iran sanctions, banks refusing to open accounts
for porn stars or high fees for doing SWIFT transfers.

Bitcoins anonymity isn't great though, it's less anonymous than cash, even
when used with new addresses each time and everyone can see everything,
even if it does look just like transfers from address to address.

Thanks
Bob


On 29 October 2013 20:36, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:

> > Mainly what you said about the neutrality and anonymity.
>
> On 29/10/13 21:34, Robert Williamson wrote:
> > For the payment agnostic part, or the address reuse part?
> >
> > This springs to mind for address reusing.
> > https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2429
> >
> >
> > As for talking about value storage and transmission. I can't
> > really remember anything, I'm not even sure if I have seen any
> > articles discussing this in depth. I've read many about the
> > deflationary aspect of Bitcoin, vs the inflationary system
> > currently used by the western world.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gmsKb__WVc
> >
> > This is quite relevant to what I'm speaking about. I know of a few
> > iranian students who have bank transfers blocked because of these
> > sanctions which really have little effect on the Iranian regime,
> > but seriously harm it's citizens.
> >
> > Bitcoin isn't a currency, as currencies tend to be a token (either
> > coins or paper notes), that holds a value, only because a
> > government says they do and accept taxes paid in that currency.
> >
> > Bitcoin is really a value store over IP and allows the transaction
> > of value in the same way the internet allowed for the transaction
> > of information.
> >
> > The network consents to how much is produced and under what
> > conditions, rather than a central bank. We could throw difficulty
> > rules out of the window tomorrow and start mining our own blocks
> > with a 100BTC reward, but no other node in the system would accept
> > them as valid, as such we would be living on our own blockchain
> > branch, deluding ourselves to the rest of the world.
> >
> > Because of this Bitcoins value really comes from the same view
> > that people have on gold, it's scarcity, only it isn't scarcity
> > isn't certain as there is likely still many reserves on Earth and
> > some private space companies are even now looking at asteroid
> > mining.
> >
> > Bitcoins scarcity is in a similar situation, it's value is also
> > based on it only ever having 21 million units and the health of the
> > network, only people holding it have a reason to strengthen it
> > further by running nodes, to prevent their own assets.
> >
> > Bitcoin uses mathematics (cryptography, networking, game theory)
> > to store value in the same way that gold uses protons and neutrons
> > to store value. It's all just information that humans perceive as
> > being desirable.
> >
> > There's probably a few good quotes in there you can use.
> >
> > Thanks Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29 October 2013 19:53, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
> > <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Cool. Do you know any memorable articles, videos or resources
> > about this? Doesn't have to be exactly Bitcoin related.
> >
> > On 29/10/13 20:51, Robert Williamson wrote:
> >> Mainly how it is agnostic to who, or what you are sending value
> >> to, it handles just like hand-to-hand cash transfers, without
> >> middlemen to tax or refuse the transaction (unless you include
> >> miners).
> >
> >> Also, the anonymity, satoshis original vision seemed to be for
> >> all transactions to be to new public keys/addresses, via the pay
> >> to IP address feature. However since this was insecure and had
> >> no authentication, people ended up turning to address-reuse,
> >> which seriously affects their privacy. We should focus on
> >> something that addresses these issues, deterministic wallets can
> >> help massively with protecting against address reuse and against
> >> losing keys.
> >
> >> Also prepare yourselves, a bubble is coming.
> >
> >
> http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1pgr6p/man_buys_27_of_bitcoin_forgets_about_them_finds/
> >
> >
> >> Thanks Bob
> >
> >> On 29 October 2013 19:10, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
> > <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>
> >> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>>> wrote:
> >
> >> What are the most important values for you all about Bitcoin?
> >
> >> On 29/10/13 20:08, jindq1 wrote:
> >>> Boom! Rationality is kind of scarce in bitcoin-land though.
> >>> It's easier to just blame everything on bankers.
> >
> >
> >>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Benjamin Cordes
> >>> <benjamin.l.cordes@???
> >>> <mailto:benjamin.l.cordes@gmail.com>
> >>> <mailto:benjamin.l.cordes@gmail.com
> > <mailto:benjamin.l.cordes@gmail.com>>
> >> <mailto:benjamin.l.cordes@gmail.com
> > <mailto:benjamin.l.cordes@gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:benjamin.l.cordes@gmail.com
> > <mailto:benjamin.l.cordes@gmail.com>>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >
> >>> No need to troll here. If you have experience using Bitcoin,
> >>> which I assume you do if you float opinions, you pay a fee.
> >>> First of all there is a tiny mining fee, which goes to
> >>> professional miners. You can call them names the whole day, but
> >>> they support the network. Then you have another fee which goes
> >>> to exchanges. It is around 0.50% in the best case. Instead of
> >>> paying 0.50% to a corporation located in Japan you could pay
> >>> the same fee to a public source, which has a lock-in to support
> >>> the network. So, sure, Bitcoin is very free in your mind, but
> >>> if there is also this thing called reality. It's very
> >>> interesting to me, that some who say Bitcoin is perfect are
> >>> very quick to defend the same kind of structures they so decry.
> >>> Rational thought requires weighing arguments.
> >
> >
> >>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Mike Gogulski
> >>> <mike@??? <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>
> >> <mailto:mike@gogulski.com <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>>
> >>> <mailto:mike@gogulski.com <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>
> > <mailto:mike@gogulski.com <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>>>> wrote:
> >
> >>> On 10/29/2013 01:46 PM, aimee@???
> > <mailto:aimee@aimeemaree.com>
> >> <mailto:aimee@aimeemaree.com <mailto:aimee@aimeemaree.com>>
> >>> <mailto:aimee@aimeemaree.com <mailto:aimee@aimeemaree.com>
> > <mailto:aimee@aimeemaree.com <mailto:aimee@aimeemaree.com>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> I declare that I have paid Amir 500bitcoins which equates to
> >>> 1500AU
> >>>> and he declares on his tax that he was paid 500 bitcoins
> >>>> which equates to 2000pound...
> >
> >>> Or he doesn't declare "his" tax, and you don't declare your
> >>> payment, and the bastards Amir mentioned toward whom all money
> >>> flows get nothing.
> >
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