You're reading my mind.
My guess is that he's going to be denied bail, or that it will be
financially out of reach for friends and family. It's going to be a
while before we find out what really went on.
On 10/04/2013 05:54 PM, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
> Lets play a little 'what if' game. I know next to nothing about silkroad so
> I'm probably going to get something wrong but bare with me.
>
> What if Ross is as innocent as he could be while still being the operator
> of silkroad. Just a sort of craigslist with escrow. Now what if the FBI got
> a message from an anonymous TOR person that said "Hi, I'm Ross Ulbricht, I run
> silkroad and I would like you to murder someone". In court this is not going
> to stand up for one moment but they entered the information in their criminal
> complaint so he is already convicted of murder in the minds of many.
>
> Maybe the FBI agents heard this and they "saw what they wanted to see" in it,
> maybe they intentionally added this to the complaint to foil attempts at raising
> money in his defense, we don't know.
>
> What if they ammend their complain removing any word of murder for hire and
> direct drug dealing and charge him only for his role in operating SR? What if
> they encounter very little legal defense because those who might have donated
> have already written him off as a murderer?
>
>
> All I have to say is please lets not rush to judgement, if he is guilty of
> murder then he will probably be found guilty, hopefully to be humainly confined
> as is the norm among civil societies. If he was only a peaceful operator of a
> forum, another Aaron Swartz, a person who only broke the law to change things,
> then his sentencing should reflect not just his actions but his *intent*,
> something which is unlikely if he cannot mount an effective defense.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Caleb
>
>
> On 10/04/2013 11:19 AM, Robert Williamson wrote:
>> I bet last week they would also have said zero chance of being an online drug lord.
>>
>> Sure the FBI entrapped him. But are his parents saying that entrapment never happened and the chat/ message logs are faked?
>>
>> On 4 Oct 2013 16:12, "Mike Gogulski" <mike@??? <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I spoke with his parents for two hours:
>>
>> https://www.rossulbricht.org/ross-ulbrichts-parents-say-zero-chance-of-murder-for-hire/
>>
>> On 10/04/2013 12:41 PM, Juraj Bednar wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >> The Maryland document clearly states it was an undercover FBI agent.
>> >>
>> > Yet it clearly says that the undercover agent arranged the delivery, but
>> > the first person to suggest
>> > torture and then execution was DPR. I still want to believe that that's
>> > not the whole story, on the
>> > other hand, it's a great PR move for influencing the jury.
>> >
>> > >From the state point of view, the FBI did their job and after they've
>> > done it, DPR suggested violence.
>> > (of course we view the acts of the FBI as violence, but that's not what
>> > the general public believes
>> > and it serves their narrative pretty well :(.
>> >
>> >> In most countries in the world, entrapment is thrown out of court. You
>> >> cannot prosecute someone for a crime which the police entrap you into.
>> > Yet there is nothing to suggest so. In Maryland document, there was even
>> > no indication of threats
>> > from the "victim" about releasing documents. DPR was pissed that they
>> > stole some money and that
>> > they could "sing".
>> >
>> > Sort-of prisoner's dilemma, but clearly no direct reaction to any
>> > particular threat.
>> >> They aren't basing their case on attempted murder. So what was the
>> >> purpose of engineering this situation with DPR?
>> > Influence of jury decision and public opinion of course.
>> >> Go and research what DPR is like as a person. Watch his interview
>> >> online where he is talking about true love and his hopes for the
>> >> future of the world. Read some his writings.
>> > His writings are writings of an idealist. We all read it and believed
>> > that it says what we
>> > think. There is always a difference between what someone writes and what
>> > he or she
>> > does. This is not to blame or to praise Ross as a person. DPR was and is
>> > an act.
>> > It may root from his beliefs, but he will be judged as a person based on
>> > his actions,
>> > not based on his beliefs.
>> >
>> > We can discuss if the trial is unbiased and serves justice and not only
>> > the state. It will
>> > almost certainly be biased on the state side, because the state sees
>> > drug trade as
>> > something bad and some people including me, most of the vendors and
>> > customers
>> > and himself see it otherwise.
>> >
>> > Ross was a real person and they are basing their
>> > case on real person and his mistakes. They are winning the public
>> > opinion part pretty
>> > well. :(
>> >> Interview with DPR (left): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33fxHA-FEYg
>> >>
>> > This is an interview with Ross and I believe these are different
>> > entities. We may discuss
>> > if DPR or Ross was an act, but one of them was.
>> >> By judging DPR, you are buying the picture that has been painted for
>> >> you to slant the public discourse. Remove yourself from that game.
>> >> This moral dilemma is false.
>> > The dilemma is not false.
>> >
>> > But I agree we cannot judge DPR because we have no unbiased information
>> > regarding the
>> > case and we don't have any moral authority to judge him.
>> >
>> > Where are the victims? Let them speak or show that they are missing.
>> > Otherwise, it's a witch-hunt.
>> >
>> >
>> > J.
>> >
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