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Emne: Re: [unSYSTEM] Ross Ulbricht’s parents say zero chance of murder-for-hire
It's widely believed that Jesus walked on water, it could just be the same
guy trying to make it look like it has been changing hands too.




On 4 October 2013 16:47, Mike Gogulski <mike@???> wrote:

> I have no evidence of it, but it's widely believed that ownership and
> control of the website changed hands at least twice, so three owners.
>
> On 10/04/2013 05:41 PM, Adam Gmail wrote:
> > I thought that too, but are you sure?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Mike Gogulski <mike@???> wrote:
> >
> >> There has been more than one operator of silk road, and more than one
> >> "dread pirate roberts". That's all I can say at the moment.
> >>
> >> On 10/04/2013 05:19 PM, Robert Williamson wrote:
> >>> I bet last week they would also have said zero chance of being an
> >>> online drug lord.
> >>>
> >>> Sure the FBI entrapped him. But are his parents saying that entrapment
> >>> never happened and the chat/ message logs are faked?
> >>>
> >>> On 4 Oct 2013 16:12, "Mike Gogulski" <mike@???
> >>> <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>    I spoke with his parents for two hours:

> >>>
> >>>
> https://www.rossulbricht.org/ross-ulbrichts-parents-say-zero-chance-of-murder-for-hire/
> >>>
> >>>    On 10/04/2013 12:41 PM, Juraj Bednar wrote:
> >>>> Hi,

> >>>>
> >>>>> The Maryland document clearly states it was an undercover FBI
> >>>    agent.
> >>>> Yet it clearly says that the undercover agent arranged the
> >>>    delivery, but
> >>>> the first person to suggest
> >>>> torture and then execution was DPR. I still want to believe that
> >>>    that's
> >>>> not the whole story, on the
> >>>> other hand, it's a great PR move for influencing the jury.

> >>>>
> >>>>> From the state point of view, the FBI did their job and after
> >>>    they've
> >>>> done it, DPR suggested violence.
> >>>> (of course we view the acts of the FBI as violence, but that's
> >>>    not what
> >>>> the general public believes
> >>>> and it serves their narrative pretty well :(.

> >>>>
> >>>>> In most countries in the world, entrapment is thrown out of
> >>>    court. You
> >>>>> cannot prosecute someone for a crime which the police entrap
> >>>    you into.
> >>>> Yet there is nothing to suggest so. In Maryland document, there
> >>>    was even
> >>>> no indication of threats
> >>>> from the "victim" about releasing documents. DPR was pissed that
> >>>    they
> >>>> stole some money and that
> >>>> they could "sing".

> >>>>
> >>>> Sort-of prisoner's dilemma, but clearly no direct reaction to any
> >>>> particular threat.
> >>>>> They aren't basing their case on attempted murder. So what was the
> >>>>> purpose of engineering this situation with DPR?
> >>>> Influence of jury decision and public opinion of course.
> >>>>> Go and research what DPR is like as a person. Watch his interview
> >>>>> online where he is talking about true love and his hopes for the
> >>>>> future of the world. Read some his writings.
> >>>> His writings are writings of an idealist. We all read it and
> >>>    believed
> >>>> that it says what we
> >>>> think. There is always a difference between what someone writes
> >>>    and what
> >>>> he or she
> >>>> does. This is not to blame or to praise Ross as a person. DPR
> >>>    was and is
> >>>> an act.
> >>>> It may root from his beliefs, but he will be judged as a person
> >>>    based on
> >>>> his actions,
> >>>> not based on his beliefs.

> >>>>
> >>>> We can discuss if the trial is unbiased and serves justice and
> >>>    not only
> >>>> the state. It will
> >>>> almost certainly be biased on the state side, because the state sees
> >>>> drug trade as
> >>>> something bad and some people including me, most of the vendors and
> >>>> customers
> >>>> and himself see it otherwise.

> >>>>
> >>>> Ross was a real person and they are basing their
> >>>> case on real person and his mistakes. They are winning the public
> >>>> opinion part pretty
> >>>> well. :(
> >>>>> Interview with DPR (left):
> >>>    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33fxHA-FEYg
> >>>> This is an interview with Ross and I believe these are different
> >>>> entities. We may discuss
> >>>> if DPR or Ross was an act, but one of them was.
> >>>>> By judging DPR, you are buying the picture that has been
> >>>    painted for
> >>>>> you to slant the public discourse. Remove yourself from that game.
> >>>>> This moral dilemma is false.
> >>>> The dilemma is not false.

> >>>>
> >>>> But I agree we cannot judge DPR because we have no unbiased
> >>>    information
> >>>> regarding the
> >>>> case and we don't have any moral authority to judge him.

> >>>>
> >>>> Where are the victims? Let them speak or show that they are missing.
> >>>> Otherwise, it's a witch-hunt.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> J.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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