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Szerző: Mike Gogulski
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Tárgy: Re: [unSYSTEM] Ross Ulbricht’s parents say zero chance of murder-for-hire
I have no evidence of it, but it's widely believed that ownership and
control of the website changed hands at least twice, so three owners.

On 10/04/2013 05:41 PM, Adam Gmail wrote:
> I thought that too, but are you sure?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Mike Gogulski <mike@???> wrote:
>
>> There has been more than one operator of silk road, and more than one
>> "dread pirate roberts". That's all I can say at the moment.
>>
>> On 10/04/2013 05:19 PM, Robert Williamson wrote:
>>> I bet last week they would also have said zero chance of being an
>>> online drug lord.
>>>
>>> Sure the FBI entrapped him. But are his parents saying that entrapment
>>> never happened and the chat/ message logs are faked?
>>>
>>> On 4 Oct 2013 16:12, "Mike Gogulski" <mike@???
>>> <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    I spoke with his parents for two hours:

>>>
>>>    https://www.rossulbricht.org/ross-ulbrichts-parents-say-zero-chance-of-murder-for-hire/

>>>
>>>    On 10/04/2013 12:41 PM, Juraj Bednar wrote:
>>>> Hi,

>>>>
>>>>> The Maryland document clearly states it was an undercover FBI
>>>    agent.
>>>> Yet it clearly says that the undercover agent arranged the
>>>    delivery, but
>>>> the first person to suggest
>>>> torture and then execution was DPR. I still want to believe that
>>>    that's
>>>> not the whole story, on the
>>>> other hand, it's a great PR move for influencing the jury.

>>>>
>>>>> From the state point of view, the FBI did their job and after
>>>    they've
>>>> done it, DPR suggested violence.
>>>> (of course we view the acts of the FBI as violence, but that's
>>>    not what
>>>> the general public believes
>>>> and it serves their narrative pretty well :(.

>>>>
>>>>> In most countries in the world, entrapment is thrown out of
>>>    court. You
>>>>> cannot prosecute someone for a crime which the police entrap
>>>    you into.
>>>> Yet there is nothing to suggest so. In Maryland document, there
>>>    was even
>>>> no indication of threats
>>>> from the "victim" about releasing documents. DPR was pissed that
>>>    they
>>>> stole some money and that
>>>> they could "sing".

>>>>
>>>> Sort-of prisoner's dilemma, but clearly no direct reaction to any
>>>> particular threat.
>>>>> They aren't basing their case on attempted murder. So what was the
>>>>> purpose of engineering this situation with DPR?
>>>> Influence of jury decision and public opinion of course.
>>>>> Go and research what DPR is like as a person. Watch his interview
>>>>> online where he is talking about true love and his hopes for the
>>>>> future of the world. Read some his writings.
>>>> His writings are writings of an idealist. We all read it and
>>>    believed
>>>> that it says what we
>>>> think. There is always a difference between what someone writes
>>>    and what
>>>> he or she
>>>> does. This is not to blame or to praise Ross as a person. DPR
>>>    was and is
>>>> an act.
>>>> It may root from his beliefs, but he will be judged as a person
>>>    based on
>>>> his actions,
>>>> not based on his beliefs.

>>>>
>>>> We can discuss if the trial is unbiased and serves justice and
>>>    not only
>>>> the state. It will
>>>> almost certainly be biased on the state side, because the state sees
>>>> drug trade as
>>>> something bad and some people including me, most of the vendors and
>>>> customers
>>>> and himself see it otherwise.

>>>>
>>>> Ross was a real person and they are basing their
>>>> case on real person and his mistakes. They are winning the public
>>>> opinion part pretty
>>>> well. :(
>>>>> Interview with DPR (left):
>>>    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33fxHA-FEYg
>>>> This is an interview with Ross and I believe these are different
>>>> entities. We may discuss
>>>> if DPR or Ross was an act, but one of them was.
>>>>> By judging DPR, you are buying the picture that has been
>>>    painted for
>>>>> you to slant the public discourse. Remove yourself from that game.
>>>>> This moral dilemma is false.
>>>> The dilemma is not false.

>>>>
>>>> But I agree we cannot judge DPR because we have no unbiased
>>>    information
>>>> regarding the
>>>> case and we don't have any moral authority to judge him.

>>>>
>>>> Where are the victims? Let them speak or show that they are missing.
>>>> Otherwise, it's a witch-hunt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> J.
>>>>
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