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Assunto: Re: [unSYSTEM] Ross Ulbricht’s parents say zero chance of murder-for-hire
I thought that too, but are you sure?

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On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Mike Gogulski <mike@???> wrote:

> There has been more than one operator of silk road, and more than one
> "dread pirate roberts". That's all I can say at the moment.
>
> On 10/04/2013 05:19 PM, Robert Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I bet last week they would also have said zero chance of being an
>> online drug lord.
>>
>> Sure the FBI entrapped him. But are his parents saying that entrapment
>> never happened and the chat/ message logs are faked?
>>
>> On 4 Oct 2013 16:12, "Mike Gogulski" <mike@???
>> <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>> wrote:
>>
>>    I spoke with his parents for two hours:

>>
>>    https://www.rossulbricht.org/ross-ulbrichts-parents-say-zero-chance-of-murder-for-hire/

>>
>>    On 10/04/2013 12:41 PM, Juraj Bednar wrote:
>>> Hi,

>>>
>>>> The Maryland document clearly states it was an undercover FBI
>>    agent.
>>> Yet it clearly says that the undercover agent arranged the
>>    delivery, but
>>> the first person to suggest
>>> torture and then execution was DPR. I still want to believe that
>>    that's
>>> not the whole story, on the
>>> other hand, it's a great PR move for influencing the jury.

>>>
>>>> From the state point of view, the FBI did their job and after
>>    they've
>>> done it, DPR suggested violence.
>>> (of course we view the acts of the FBI as violence, but that's
>>    not what
>>> the general public believes
>>> and it serves their narrative pretty well :(.

>>>
>>>> In most countries in the world, entrapment is thrown out of
>>    court. You
>>>> cannot prosecute someone for a crime which the police entrap
>>    you into.
>>> Yet there is nothing to suggest so. In Maryland document, there
>>    was even
>>> no indication of threats
>>> from the "victim" about releasing documents. DPR was pissed that
>>    they
>>> stole some money and that
>>> they could "sing".

>>>
>>> Sort-of prisoner's dilemma, but clearly no direct reaction to any
>>> particular threat.
>>>> They aren't basing their case on attempted murder. So what was the
>>>> purpose of engineering this situation with DPR?
>>> Influence of jury decision and public opinion of course.
>>>> Go and research what DPR is like as a person. Watch his interview
>>>> online where he is talking about true love and his hopes for the
>>>> future of the world. Read some his writings.
>>> His writings are writings of an idealist. We all read it and
>>    believed
>>> that it says what we
>>> think. There is always a difference between what someone writes
>>    and what
>>> he or she
>>> does. This is not to blame or to praise Ross as a person. DPR
>>    was and is
>>> an act.
>>> It may root from his beliefs, but he will be judged as a person
>>    based on
>>> his actions,
>>> not based on his beliefs.

>>>
>>> We can discuss if the trial is unbiased and serves justice and
>>    not only
>>> the state. It will
>>> almost certainly be biased on the state side, because the state sees
>>> drug trade as
>>> something bad and some people including me, most of the vendors and
>>> customers
>>> and himself see it otherwise.

>>>
>>> Ross was a real person and they are basing their
>>> case on real person and his mistakes. They are winning the public
>>> opinion part pretty
>>> well. :(
>>>> Interview with DPR (left):
>>    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33fxHA-FEYg
>>> This is an interview with Ross and I believe these are different
>>> entities. We may discuss
>>> if DPR or Ross was an act, but one of them was.
>>>> By judging DPR, you are buying the picture that has been
>>    painted for
>>>> you to slant the public discourse. Remove yourself from that game.
>>>> This moral dilemma is false.
>>> The dilemma is not false.

>>>
>>> But I agree we cannot judge DPR because we have no unbiased
>>    information
>>> regarding the
>>> case and we don't have any moral authority to judge him.

>>>
>>> Where are the victims? Let them speak or show that they are missing.
>>> Otherwise, it's a witch-hunt.
>>>
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
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