>     I have no evidence of it, but it's widely believed that ownership and
>     control of the website changed hands at least twice, so three owners.

>     On 10/04/2013 05:41 PM, Adam Gmail wrote:
>     > I thought that too, but are you sure?
>     >
>     > Sent from my iPad

>     >
>     > On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Mike Gogulski <mike@???
>     <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>> wrote:

>     >
>     >> There has been more than one operator of silk road, and more
>     than one
>     >> "dread pirate roberts". That's all I can say at the moment.

>     >>
>     >> On 10/04/2013 05:19 PM, Robert Williamson wrote:
>     >>> I bet last week they would also have said zero chance of being an
>     >>> online drug lord.

>     >>>
>     >>> Sure the FBI entrapped him. But are his parents saying that
>     entrapment
>     >>> never happened and the chat/ message logs are faked?

>     >>>
>     >>> On 4 Oct 2013 16:12, "Mike Gogulski" <mike@???
>     <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>
>     >>> <mailto:mike@gogulski.com <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>>> wrote:

>     >>>
>     >>>    I spoke with his parents for two hours:

>     >>>

>     >>>  
>      https://www.rossulbricht.org/ross-ulbrichts-parents-say-zero-chance-of-murder-for-hire/

>     >>>
>     >>>    On 10/04/2013 12:41 PM, Juraj Bednar wrote:
>     >>>> Hi,

>     >>>>
>     >>>>> The Maryland document clearly states it was an undercover FBI
>     >>>    agent.
>     >>>> Yet it clearly says that the undercover agent arranged the
>     >>>    delivery, but
>     >>>> the first person to suggest
>     >>>> torture and then execution was DPR. I still want to believe that
>     >>>    that's
>     >>>> not the whole story, on the
>     >>>> other hand, it's a great PR move for influencing the jury.

>     >>>>
>     >>>>> From the state point of view, the FBI did their job and after
>     >>>    they've
>     >>>> done it, DPR suggested violence.
>     >>>> (of course we view the acts of the FBI as violence, but that's
>     >>>    not what
>     >>>> the general public believes
>     >>>> and it serves their narrative pretty well :(.

>     >>>>
>     >>>>> In most countries in the world, entrapment is thrown out of
>     >>>    court. You
>     >>>>> cannot prosecute someone for a crime which the police entrap
>     >>>    you into.
>     >>>> Yet there is nothing to suggest so. In Maryland document, there
>     >>>    was even
>     >>>> no indication of threats
>     >>>> from the "victim" about releasing documents. DPR was pissed that
>     >>>    they
>     >>>> stole some money and that
>     >>>> they could "sing".

>     >>>>
>     >>>> Sort-of prisoner's dilemma, but clearly no direct reaction to any
>     >>>> particular threat.
>     >>>>> They aren't basing their case on attempted murder. So what
>     was the
>     >>>>> purpose of engineering this situation with DPR?
>     >>>> Influence of jury decision and public opinion of course.
>     >>>>> Go and research what DPR is like as a person. Watch his
>     interview
>     >>>>> online where he is talking about true love and his hopes for the
>     >>>>> future of the world. Read some his writings.
>     >>>> His writings are writings of an idealist. We all read it and
>     >>>    believed
>     >>>> that it says what we
>     >>>> think. There is always a difference between what someone writes
>     >>>    and what
>     >>>> he or she
>     >>>> does. This is not to blame or to praise Ross as a person. DPR
>     >>>    was and is
>     >>>> an act.
>     >>>> It may root from his beliefs, but he will be judged as a person
>     >>>    based on
>     >>>> his actions,
>     >>>> not based on his beliefs.

>     >>>>
>     >>>> We can discuss if the trial is unbiased and serves justice and
>     >>>    not only
>     >>>> the state. It will
>     >>>> almost certainly be biased on the state side, because the
>     state sees
>     >>>> drug trade as
>     >>>> something bad and some people including me, most of the
>     vendors and
>     >>>> customers
>     >>>> and himself see it otherwise.

>     >>>>
>     >>>> Ross was a real person and they are basing their
>     >>>> case on real person and his mistakes. They are winning the public
>     >>>> opinion part pretty
>     >>>> well. :(
>     >>>>> Interview with DPR (left):
>     >>>    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33fxHA-FEYg
>     >>>> This is an interview with Ross and I believe these are different
>     >>>> entities. We may discuss
>     >>>> if DPR or Ross was an act, but one of them was.
>     >>>>> By judging DPR, you are buying the picture that has been
>     >>>    painted for
>     >>>>> you to slant the public discourse. Remove yourself from that
>     game.
>     >>>>> This moral dilemma is false.
>     >>>> The dilemma is not false.

>     >>>>
>     >>>> But I agree we cannot judge DPR because we have no unbiased
>     >>>    information
>     >>>> regarding the
>     >>>> case and we don't have any moral authority to judge him.

>     >>>>
>     >>>> Where are the victims? Let them speak or show that they are
>     missing.
>     >>>> Otherwise, it's a witch-hunt.

>     >>>>

>     >>>>
>     >>>>   J.

>     >>>>

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