There has been more than one operator of silk road, and more than one
"dread pirate roberts". That's all I can say at the moment.
On 10/04/2013 05:19 PM, Robert Williamson wrote:
>
> I bet last week they would also have said zero chance of being an
> online drug lord.
>
> Sure the FBI entrapped him. But are his parents saying that entrapment
> never happened and the chat/ message logs are faked?
>
> On 4 Oct 2013 16:12, "Mike Gogulski" <mike@???
> <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>> wrote:
>
> I spoke with his parents for two hours:
>
> https://www.rossulbricht.org/ross-ulbrichts-parents-say-zero-chance-of-murder-for-hire/
>
> On 10/04/2013 12:41 PM, Juraj Bednar wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >> The Maryland document clearly states it was an undercover FBI
> agent.
> >>
> > Yet it clearly says that the undercover agent arranged the
> delivery, but
> > the first person to suggest
> > torture and then execution was DPR. I still want to believe that
> that's
> > not the whole story, on the
> > other hand, it's a great PR move for influencing the jury.
> >
> > >From the state point of view, the FBI did their job and after
> they've
> > done it, DPR suggested violence.
> > (of course we view the acts of the FBI as violence, but that's
> not what
> > the general public believes
> > and it serves their narrative pretty well :(.
> >
> >> In most countries in the world, entrapment is thrown out of
> court. You
> >> cannot prosecute someone for a crime which the police entrap
> you into.
> > Yet there is nothing to suggest so. In Maryland document, there
> was even
> > no indication of threats
> > from the "victim" about releasing documents. DPR was pissed that
> they
> > stole some money and that
> > they could "sing".
> >
> > Sort-of prisoner's dilemma, but clearly no direct reaction to any
> > particular threat.
> >> They aren't basing their case on attempted murder. So what was the
> >> purpose of engineering this situation with DPR?
> > Influence of jury decision and public opinion of course.
> >> Go and research what DPR is like as a person. Watch his interview
> >> online where he is talking about true love and his hopes for the
> >> future of the world. Read some his writings.
> > His writings are writings of an idealist. We all read it and
> believed
> > that it says what we
> > think. There is always a difference between what someone writes
> and what
> > he or she
> > does. This is not to blame or to praise Ross as a person. DPR
> was and is
> > an act.
> > It may root from his beliefs, but he will be judged as a person
> based on
> > his actions,
> > not based on his beliefs.
> >
> > We can discuss if the trial is unbiased and serves justice and
> not only
> > the state. It will
> > almost certainly be biased on the state side, because the state sees
> > drug trade as
> > something bad and some people including me, most of the vendors and
> > customers
> > and himself see it otherwise.
> >
> > Ross was a real person and they are basing their
> > case on real person and his mistakes. They are winning the public
> > opinion part pretty
> > well. :(
> >> Interview with DPR (left):
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33fxHA-FEYg
> >>
> > This is an interview with Ross and I believe these are different
> > entities. We may discuss
> > if DPR or Ross was an act, but one of them was.
> >> By judging DPR, you are buying the picture that has been
> painted for
> >> you to slant the public discourse. Remove yourself from that game.
> >> This moral dilemma is false.
> > The dilemma is not false.
> >
> > But I agree we cannot judge DPR because we have no unbiased
> information
> > regarding the
> > case and we don't have any moral authority to judge him.
> >
> > Where are the victims? Let them speak or show that they are missing.
> > Otherwise, it's a witch-hunt.
> >
> >
> > J.
> >
> >
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