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Συντάκτης: Mike Gogulski
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Προς: System undo crew
Αντικείμενο: Re: [unSYSTEM] Ross Ulbricht’s parents say zero chance of murder-for-hire
There has been more than one operator of silk road, and more than one
"dread pirate roberts". That's all I can say at the moment.

On 10/04/2013 05:19 PM, Robert Williamson wrote:
>
> I bet last week they would also have said zero chance of being an
> online drug lord.
>
> Sure the FBI entrapped him. But are his parents saying that entrapment
> never happened and the chat/ message logs are faked?
>
> On 4 Oct 2013 16:12, "Mike Gogulski" <mike@???
> <mailto:mike@gogulski.com>> wrote:
>
>     I spoke with his parents for two hours:

>
>     https://www.rossulbricht.org/ross-ulbrichts-parents-say-zero-chance-of-murder-for-hire/

>
>     On 10/04/2013 12:41 PM, Juraj Bednar wrote:
>     > Hi,
>     >
>     >> The Maryland document clearly states it was an undercover FBI
>     agent.

>     >>
>     > Yet it clearly says that the undercover agent arranged the
>     delivery, but
>     > the first person to suggest
>     > torture and then execution was DPR. I still want to believe that
>     that's
>     > not the whole story, on the
>     > other hand, it's a great PR move for influencing the jury.

>     >
>     > >From the state point of view, the FBI did their job and after
>     they've
>     > done it, DPR suggested violence.
>     > (of course we view the acts of the FBI as violence, but that's
>     not what
>     > the general public believes
>     > and it serves their narrative pretty well :(.

>     >
>     >> In most countries in the world, entrapment is thrown out of
>     court. You
>     >> cannot prosecute someone for a crime which the police entrap
>     you into.
>     > Yet there is nothing to suggest so. In Maryland document, there
>     was even
>     > no indication of threats
>     > from the "victim" about releasing documents. DPR was pissed that
>     they
>     > stole some money and that
>     > they could "sing".

>     >
>     > Sort-of prisoner's dilemma, but clearly no direct reaction to any
>     > particular threat.
>     >> They aren't basing their case on attempted murder. So what was the
>     >> purpose of engineering this situation with DPR?
>     > Influence of jury decision and public opinion of course.
>     >> Go and research what DPR is like as a person. Watch his interview
>     >> online where he is talking about true love and his hopes for the
>     >> future of the world. Read some his writings.
>     > His writings are writings of an idealist. We all read it and
>     believed
>     > that it says what we
>     > think. There is always a difference between what someone writes
>     and what
>     > he or she
>     > does. This is not to blame or to praise Ross as a person. DPR
>     was and is
>     > an act.
>     > It may root from his beliefs, but he will be judged as a person
>     based on
>     > his actions,
>     > not based on his beliefs.

>     >
>     > We can discuss if the trial is unbiased and serves justice and
>     not only
>     > the state. It will
>     > almost certainly be biased on the state side, because the state sees
>     > drug trade as
>     > something bad and some people including me, most of the vendors and
>     > customers
>     > and himself see it otherwise.

>     >
>     > Ross was a real person and they are basing their
>     > case on real person and his mistakes. They are winning the public
>     > opinion part pretty
>     > well. :(
>     >> Interview with DPR (left):
>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33fxHA-FEYg

>     >>
>     > This is an interview with Ross and I believe these are different
>     > entities. We may discuss
>     > if DPR or Ross was an act, but one of them was.
>     >> By judging DPR, you are buying the picture that has been
>     painted for
>     >> you to slant the public discourse. Remove yourself from that game.
>     >> This moral dilemma is false.
>     > The dilemma is not false.

>     >
>     > But I agree we cannot judge DPR because we have no unbiased
>     information
>     > regarding the
>     > case and we don't have any moral authority to judge him.

>     >
>     > Where are the victims? Let them speak or show that they are missing.
>     > Otherwise, it's a witch-hunt.

>     >

>     >
>     >    J.

>     >

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