Question to Cody: Do you think if he did it, that it was right to do it?
Would you have done the same thing? (Forget the FBI, that's not the
discussion, the discussion is murder/attempted murder for the reasons
outlined).


On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>wrote:

> I'm not surprised by the appeal to the norm of sanity. Before we are
> tempted much more to despair by the prevailing ethical ideology, I
> recommend this work by Mr. Badiou:
>
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CDkQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aeogea.com%2Fpdf_library%2Fbooks%2F713303226_badiou-ethics-an-essay-on-the-understanding-of-evil.pdf&ei=t-FNUp7cE4Gm9ATN_oCIBw&usg=AFQjCNG6DTNkWvMPYraqMnvamrdis746Ag&bvm=bv.53537100,d.eWU
> On Oct 3, 2013 4:27 PM, "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???> wrote:
>
>> Isn't a situational ethics required here? There is the pre-existing evil
>> of the organized violence of the state. A fixed moral imperative is here a
>> tool that serves the master. Just like how 'Human Rights' is the motto du
>> jour for organized bombing. Self-preservation almost demanded he act as he
>> did, assuming he did.
>>
>> How is that a monstrous conclusion?
>> Couldn't agree more Amir: we need to promote the values of respect for
>> other people's lives. Where the FBI will seek to take his away for his
>> mistakes, we cannot support his promotion just because he "stood for
>> something good". He made the mistakes that proved his *lack* of values
>> (assuming all evidence is accurate). The FBI, although a rotten snotball of
>> power abusers, they didn't need to work on this one-- he handed it to them
>> like a child molesting Catholic priest handing an anti-religion argument to
>> an Athiest. We should all bow our heads in shame that we did not seek to
>> out him sooner, befriend him, and be there for him when he was thinking
>> murder was a solution. Additionally, we should seek to find more evidence,
>> follow the trials, and continue to discuss-- but blindly follow a murderer
>> because we don't like the FBI? Rationality unfortunately doesn't work like
>> that. Let's pick our battles, shall we?
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>
>>> >>> Utopian paradises are a fantasy. But right now I know who the biggest
>>> murderer and threat to human freedom / expression on the earth is. And
>>> it's not a small time mafia that was a threat to the big time mafias.
>>>
>>> These what if questions divert from focusing on what you're struggling
>>> for. They're imaginary scenarios until they're actually possible.
>>>
>>> Also we need to move beyond promoting ideologies, and into promoting
>>> values.
>>>
>>> On 03/10/13 23:07, jindq1 wrote:
>>> > I am very skeptical of initiatives to keep things "anonymous", and
>>> > given that bitcoin empowers people like never before to anonymous
>>> > order hits on each other, it does beg to question: Who the fuck
>>> > would want to live in a society where absolutely anyone with some
>>> > money could kill anyone else, and anonymously, all without leaving
>>> > their home PC? In a libertarian paradise, this guy would not only
>>> > have killed someone, we never would have known about it. (Yes, I
>>> > understand it was a trap by the FBI).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>>> > <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Apologists, know who your true oppressor is.
>>> >
>>> > We don't need to moralise that murder to protect thousands is OK,
>>> > or that murder is wrong (like in superhero movies).
>>> >
>>> > The FBI entrapped him. By falling into this trap of condemning
>>> > DPR, you are operating in the frame set by the FBI. You are
>>> > allowing them to steer the argument.
>>> >
>>> > I stand with Ross Ulbricht.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1nn6h8/dprs_accusations_of_murder_for_hire_only_reveal/
>>> >
>>> > On 03/10/13 22:15, jadair wrote:
>>> >> I agree this thread is inappropriate for Lifeboat and for the
>>> >> objectives of this group.
>>> >
>>> >> On Thursday, October 3, 2013 2:55:20 PM UTC-4, mike wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Operated, for now, by me:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> https://www.rossulbricht.org/introducing-the-ross-ulbricht-legal-defense-fund/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > <
>>> https://www.rossulbricht.org/introducing-the-ross-ulbricht-legal-defense-fund/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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