Cody,

The only thing *we* need to do is wait for evidence and a court hearing.
Anything else is pointless imo. The cultism comes out when people jump the
gun to claim the defendant is *not guilty* just because he's part of their
camp or because they don't like the prosecutor (in this case, FBI). If
you're offended by being called a cultist, it might help to not talk like
one on the internet. Besides, to be frank, no one is talking about "right"
or "wrong" in the first place except Amir and you perhaps. We're all
curious of "guilty", or "not guilty", and last I checked, no one on this
mailing list knows anything more than the FBI has released at this point.
Please do update us with *facts* though, it's something that is interesting
to follow. Thanks for the link too Amir, I definitely would not push the
fat man to save the 5. I did not put the train out on its course, it is not
my *responsibility* to save them, but as I would want to, I would likely
try. I would most likely throw myself though. How about you? Only throw the
fat man if he's wearing an FBI shirt? :)


On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>wrote:

> I don't subscribe to the FBI theory, btw. But this "right" and "wrong"
> binary is slavish and unserious liberal talk. Though I know what you mean,
> the cultish slur is also offensive.
>
> Modern ethics is both apologism for and obfuscation of the received power
> relations in society. What's cultish is our inbred, underdeveloped concept
> of evil. I don't know the facts other than what I saw in the criminal
> complaint, and I do not mean to justify the unjustifiable, but we must not
> uncritically accept the larger pre-existing factors at play. Among these is
> the operation of the largest multinational terrorist program in history-
> USG.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 4:45 PM, jindq1 <jindq1@???> wrote:
>
>> Question to Cody: Do you think if he did it, that it was right to do it?
>> Would you have done the same thing? (Forget the FBI, that's not the
>> discussion, the discussion is murder/attempted murder for the reasons
>> outlined).
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not surprised by the appeal to the norm of sanity. Before we are
>>> tempted much more to despair by the prevailing ethical ideology, I
>>> recommend this work by Mr. Badiou:
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CDkQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aeogea.com%2Fpdf_library%2Fbooks%2F713303226_badiou-ethics-an-essay-on-the-understanding-of-evil.pdf&ei=t-FNUp7cE4Gm9ATN_oCIBw&usg=AFQjCNG6DTNkWvMPYraqMnvamrdis746Ag&bvm=bv.53537100,d.eWU
>>> On Oct 3, 2013 4:27 PM, "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isn't a situational ethics required here? There is the pre-existing
>>>> evil of the organized violence of the state. A fixed moral imperative is
>>>> here a tool that serves the master. Just like how 'Human Rights' is the
>>>> motto du jour for organized bombing. Self-preservation almost demanded he
>>>> act as he did, assuming he did.
>>>>
>>>> How is that a monstrous conclusion?
>>>> Couldn't agree more Amir: we need to promote the values of respect for
>>>> other people's lives. Where the FBI will seek to take his away for his
>>>> mistakes, we cannot support his promotion just because he "stood for
>>>> something good". He made the mistakes that proved his *lack* of values
>>>> (assuming all evidence is accurate). The FBI, although a rotten snotball of
>>>> power abusers, they didn't need to work on this one-- he handed it to them
>>>> like a child molesting Catholic priest handing an anti-religion argument to
>>>> an Athiest. We should all bow our heads in shame that we did not seek to
>>>> out him sooner, befriend him, and be there for him when he was thinking
>>>> murder was a solution. Additionally, we should seek to find more evidence,
>>>> follow the trials, and continue to discuss-- but blindly follow a murderer
>>>> because we don't like the FBI? Rationality unfortunately doesn't work like
>>>> that. Let's pick our battles, shall we?
>>>>
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Utopian paradises are a fantasy. But right now I know who the biggest
>>>>> murderer and threat to human freedom / expression on the earth is. And
>>>>> it's not a small time mafia that was a threat to the big time mafias.
>>>>>
>>>>> These what if questions divert from focusing on what you're struggling
>>>>> for. They're imaginary scenarios until they're actually possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also we need to move beyond promoting ideologies, and into promoting
>>>>> values.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03/10/13 23:07, jindq1 wrote:
>>>>> > I am very skeptical of initiatives to keep things "anonymous", and
>>>>> > given that bitcoin empowers people like never before to anonymous
>>>>> > order hits on each other, it does beg to question: Who the fuck
>>>>> > would want to live in a society where absolutely anyone with some
>>>>> > money could kill anyone else, and anonymously, all without leaving
>>>>> > their home PC? In a libertarian paradise, this guy would not only
>>>>> > have killed someone, we never would have known about it. (Yes, I
>>>>> > understand it was a trap by the FBI).
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>>>>> > <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Apologists, know who your true oppressor is.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We don't need to moralise that murder to protect thousands is OK,
>>>>> > or that murder is wrong (like in superhero movies).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The FBI entrapped him. By falling into this trap of condemning
>>>>> > DPR, you are operating in the frame set by the FBI. You are
>>>>> > allowing them to steer the argument.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I stand with Ross Ulbricht.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1nn6h8/dprs_accusations_of_murder_for_hire_only_reveal/
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 03/10/13 22:15, jadair wrote:
>>>>> >> I agree this thread is inappropriate for Lifeboat and for the
>>>>> >> objectives of this group.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Thursday, October 3, 2013 2:55:20 PM UTC-4, mike wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Operated, for now, by me:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> https://www.rossulbricht.org/introducing-the-ross-ulbricht-legal-defense-fund/
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > <
>>>>> https://www.rossulbricht.org/introducing-the-ross-ulbricht-legal-defense-fund/
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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