haw haw!

And then we have the famous distinction between left/right-wing
libertarians, depending on which side of the pond you are ...

That's for the next round!

Cheers now, p+4D!



> hey Armin, All,
>
> If you allow, I'd expand on your list a bit, which is spot on.
>
> ...
>
> Part of the conservative vs liberal confusion has to do with the
> limitations we seem to place on dynamics in the USA. We can only have
> two sides for most everything (eg Pepsi cola vs. Coca Cola, Mac vs Win,
> Dem vs Rep, MacDonalds vs Burger King). It's VERY hard to get some
> other non-binary dynamic at the macro scale. Two seems to be the
> perfect number that gives you the illusion of choice.
>
>
>> that's all true but in the USA 'liberals' is synonymous with
>> leftists, socialists, etc.
>>
>> thus, it should be possible to differentiate between three main
>> meanings, two of them widely shared
>
>
>> - economic liberalism, neo-liberalism, fiscal conservativism (bad)
>
> It took me many years to understand this. It's a bit of a contradiction
> (perhaps double-speak) to call economic liberalism as fiscal
> conservatism. "Neo-liberalism" is hardly used in the states and I often
> find myself trying to explain how conservatives (ie republicans) are
> neo-liberals.
>
>> - cultural liberalism (i am proudly one of them)
>> - liberal as in socialist (only used in the USA where for historic
>> reasons words such as left or socialist are banned)
>
> Like you said, these two are more or less blended in the US.
> So, if you are "liberal" in the states, its automatically
> assumed that you are a cultural liberal AND thus also some kind of
> socialist. However, because the term "socialist" is not really
> well-understood for the most part, many people equate "liberalism" with
> authoritarianism and totalitarianism (ie big government).
>
> There is one growing exception that is coming about through the
> "cultural liberals". These are the libertarians. They say they are
> "socially liberal, but fiscally conservative." Which really just means
> they are liberal across the board. Strangely, I've found this mostly in
> Los Angeles and San Francisco, and mostly among younger hipsters who are
> into art and technology.
>
>
> hey now -august.
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