Interesting comments - thanks for sharing. I like your description
"professional grade graphics environment" - that's definitely what it is.
However, although I appreciate that you strongly disagree that Blender
should be removed, I have yet to hear from a Blender user that Blender is
anything other than very difficult to learn. It's great that your son
learned to use it, but it has taken him 2 years before you saw his fluency
in Blender in action for yourself. Frankly, if anyone told me they learned
it in a matter of weeks, I would doubt it. Nevertheless for a pro graphics
artist, it is reasonable to expect them to take the time to learn Blender.

My concern was: does Blender have a place in PureDyne packaged as it is, for
everyone whether they need it or not? Could anyone have a professional
requirement for BOTH Blender and PureData? Wouldn't it be better to leave it
out of the distro and let it be just an extension for users to download if
they needed it (or just want to try it)?
I think it goes without saying that a professional graphics artist is
unlikely, in his profession, to be called upon to use PureData.

However, it is now transparently clear that I was taken in for having
believed in "the original purpose of Rastasoft Dynebolic", as it turns out
that this was nothing but a barefaced lie by the fake Rastaman Jaromil,
whose sole concern was self-promotion and astroturding all along. Here's a
guy who gets to walk around unquestioned playing poor man, taking pictures
of Palestine pre-annexation, who then has the nerve to call me a spy for
questioning the inclusion of some software he didn't even create! I smell a
rat. So, I may get stricken from the mailing list because of this post but
it will be worth it for I will have learned the truth thanks to Jah. Just a
bum/tramp who rules over an internet mailinglist "community".. A nobody in
real life who covets the trappings of poverty to suit his own purpose. His
real desire is to be the "shepherd" who protects the flock from acts of
"violence" (criticism of himself or his personality cult in the case of his
actions in this thread).

As I was wrong in believing in the good intentions behind this software (now
he's playing satanist and next he'll be playing mafiosi I'm sure), I accept
I may be wrong about both PureData and Blender, but I maintain that in the
case of PureData this is purely a case of the Emperor wearing no clothes and
I was the first one to point out the fact and rain on someone's parade. At
least I have learnt something from this, and I no longer care what fast one
they try to pull to make Dyne seem hip and trendy, so they can keep Blender
and shove it. Not that they can even use it themselves. It's not that hard
to make a distro. It's actually much harder to use Blender!

Dynebolic users, may I suggest a transition to the excellent DamnSmallLinux
which runs on very old hardware (requires less RAM than Dynebolic), takes up
only 50Megs and can be booted from CD or USB. Blender is an extension you
can add if you want. And it uses unionfs compression too! DSL doesn't use
poor people or lies about Rasta/Satanism to promote itself - just its
reputation as an excellent top 10 Linux distro.

Regards,

Max


On 3/24/07, Dan Conklin <danconklin@???> wrote:
>
>
>
> I strongly disagree with you about Blender. Sure, like any professional
> grade graphics environment you have to learn it, but once you have learned
> it, you can do anything you can think of with 3D and also with 2D graphics
> and photos. My 16 year old nephew has been using it for abotu two years and
> can do some amazing 3D animations with it. I needed some 3D text a few
> months ago for my corporate logo and made exactly what I wanted with Blender
> in about 5 minutes even after never having used it.
>
> Dan Conklin
>
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> --- On Sat 03/24, Maxam CPC < maxamcpc@??? > wrote:
> From: Maxam CPC [mailto: maxamcpc@???]
> To: dynebolic@???
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:11:55 +0000
> Subject: Re: [dyne:bolic] pure:dyne aka Evil OS - its no use to me
>
> David,For political reasons a couple of people want to turn this into a
> personalmatter and divert attention away from the issue. I've heard about
> thishappening a lot on other Linux projects, but I won't be diverted.
> Thisthread is about:1) Dyne not having Rosegarden;2) PureData being taken
> out of, or needing custom modules for, Dyne;3) Blender being too hard to use
> (although someone else has claimed to useit successfully).I agree with you
> 100% and I'm not "on message" with the backslapping.Something needs to be
> done to fix Dyne for the benefit of ordinary users.Jaromil's comments can
> be rationalised, for he is no longer in sole chargeof this project and I am
> pretty sure others in his team will be more open tosuggestions.Regards,MaxOn
> 3/24/07, David Baron <d_baron@???> wrote:>> My two cents:>> 1.
> Please, cut the foul language.>> 2. Blender is incomprehensible. Too bad
> since this is one of the only> opensource programs that can make stuff for
> flightgear and I would love
> to> help make New York look like New York :-)>> 3. Dyne is great! I have
> all the stuff on my Debien box but being able to> pop> in a CD and use that
> mobily is of great potential.>
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